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No, just people who are realistic and live in the real world instead of some la-la land...
NO, because the realistic among us realize how non-productive torture is. It's just fantasy that someone is going to tell us truthful and meaningful information while being tortured. Just because it works in the movies doesn't mean it works in real life.
How about this scenario? You hear that some wackos want to kidnap your daughter, so you send her somewhere safe. The wackos take you, and subject you to torture, to try to get the location of your daughter's hiding place. Are you going to tell them the truth when they torture you, or are you going to withstand the torture and lie and hold out? Even if they torture you every day for a year?
Wonder how that works with the anti gun crowd.....
I wonder how it works with the pro-gun / pro-torture crowd.
You'd think they'd have more respect for the constitution's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment, since they treat it as a sort of 'magical' document.
I wonder how it works with the pro-gun / pro-torture crowd.
You'd think they'd have more respect for the constitution's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment, since they treat it as a sort of 'magical' document.
Interrogators from WWII were clear that there were more effective strategies than torture to get information.
Even Nazi interrogators found that "building a rapport with your subjects and challenging their preconceived notions gets you more reliable information than torture or handling them roughly."
At times Abu Zubaydah was described as “hysterical” and “distressed” the level that he was unable to effectively communicate. Waterboarding sessions “resulted in immediate fluid intake and involuntary leg, chest and arm spasms” and “hysterical pleas.” In at least one waterboarding session, Abu Zubaydah “became completely unresponsive, with bubbles rising through his open, full mouth.” According to CIA records, Abu Zubaydah remained unresponsive until medical intervention, when he regained consciousness and expelled “copious amounts of liquid.” This experience with the waterboard was referenced in emails, but was not documented or otherwise noted in CIA cables. When two CIA Headquarters officers later compared the Abu Zubaydah interrogation videotapes to the cable record, neither commented on this session. A review of the catalog of videotapes, however, found that recordings of a 21-hour period, which included two waterboarding sessions, were missing.
Gee, why did Gina Haspel delete waterboarding video if it's no big deal?
Has the CIA destroyed evidence of their wrongdoing in the past? You bet they have like the time that then CIA Director Richard Helms got rid of MK-Ultra documents that proved the CIA had been conducting non-consensual human experiments on U.S. citizens.
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