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Old 03-15-2018, 07:09 AM
 
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"There is no such thing as a "gun accident""

I guess there is no such thing as a car "accident", or a tripping accident or any other kind of accident according to the all knowing you.
There is no such thing as a gun accident; they are all caused by unsafe or negligent handling of the gun.

You cannot demonstrate even ONE incident that was truly accidental, not ONE. I can put a semi-auto with a full magazine on a dining room table, and leave it there for 10 years, and I can guarantee you it will never go off or kill someone.

Try it.
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Did you actually ask these people or did you make assumptions about them as well? Statistically your sample size of "hundreds" isn't larger enough to make any assumptions about millions of gun owners.

If you stated your reasons for not carrying a gun then I would respect that decision. I'm not trying to force you to carry one either directly or through a proxy (government). I just asking the same in return.
When you sell, you talk with people. You don't have to ask. They reveal themselves in the comments they make while pondering a decision.

I carry a .22 revolver when I fish, not because of snakes, but becasue of two past experiwences with rabid animals in the field. I would be willing to bet that every gun salesman who is honest would hand you nearly a carbon copy of my statement. The next time you visit a gun store, ask the person on duty. You might be shocked at what the people around you are thinking.

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I've played those scenarios over in my head as well as many others. My next training will cover some of them with force on force using simunition (gunpowder fired paint rounds that hurt like heck.)

The county I live in has a crime rate 10x lower than the national average but there have been two home invasions very close to my house in the last few years. Six months ago a police foot chase came through the empty lot behind my house. The perp tried hiding in an empty house under construction. In these and every other case, the criminal picks the time and location of the incident. My goal is to be prepared for it.

I don't remember reading about anyone being struck by lightning in the 18 years I have lived here.
The element of surprise is always with the perp. That's why carrying a sidearm is all but useless.
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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"There is no such thing as a "gun accident""

I guess there is no such thing as a car "accident", or a tripping accident or any other kind of accident according to the all knowing you.
Nope. Someone is always at fault even when the car is self-driving, and the accident could have been prevented. The only "accident" would be physical mechanical failure of one of the systems beyond the control of the driver.

I have seen it posted here a thousand times that "guns don't kill people". Either some idiot does it intentionally, or as a result of their own negligence or incompetence, or the gun fired itself.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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The element of surprise is always with the perp. That's why carrying a sidearm is all but useless.
One of the reasons why when I walk, I am training the mind to provide quick responses. Target selection, strike order, strike points. If someone were to leap out from behind that corner, what is your response?

It would probably be a short strike punch, such as to the eyes.

Hit first with what you have, then if necessary, go for the gun.

FURTHER, I remember the training film about aftermaths of police officer crisis. In one, a plain clothes officer was escorting a prisoner when he was ambushed by their friends. They searched him intensely but did not find his gun because they were looking for a paddle and not a shoulder holster.

So, it is not all but useless.

Oh, and by the by? I have gone into instant strike mode.....and scared the heck out of the jogger who got too close and tripped those defenses.
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:37 AM
 
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One of the reasons why when I walk, I am training the mind to provide quick responses. Target selection, strike order, strike points. If someone were to leap out from behind that corner, what is your response?

It would probably be a short strike punch, such as to the eyes.

Hit first with what you have, then if necessary, go for the gun.

FURTHER, I remember the training film about aftermaths of police officer crisis. In one, a plain clothes officer was escorting a prisoner when he was ambushed by their friends. They searched him intensely but did not find his gun because they were looking for a paddle and not a shoulder holster.

So, it is not all but useless.

Oh, and by the by? I have gone into instant strike mode.....and scared the heck out of the jogger who got too close and tripped those defenses.


Then you are exactly the type of person who should never be even near a gun.
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Then you are exactly the type of person who should never be even near a gun.
Why?

Because I came up on ready in a martial arts stance, ready to deliver blows if necessary?
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: MS
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The element of surprise is always with the perp. That's why carrying a sidearm is all but useless.
Not always. I wish I had some updated numbers. Justified homicides triple in Memphis

I can't find the article but a few years ago an employee of Range USA in Memphis (where I have gone for some of my training classes) was surprised by a would be attacker while walking to his apartment. The would be attacker received 3 rounds to the chest for his actions.

I have also read first hand accounts of robberies and home invasions that ended in a self defense shooting. In one incident the home owner had about 30 seconds of notice that something was not right and he made the correct choice to grab his gun. His back door busted open as he was walking towards it. The first guy through the door was met with a 9mm slug above his right eye. The second guy didn't quite make it all the way into the house when he decided to change careers and run.

Here's one with pictures. Yes, the perp got the drop on the CCW holder. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/...d_30/5-988015/

That was with 5 minutes of searching.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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The main reason teachers should not have weapons in the classroom.
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Old 03-15-2018, 11:47 AM
 
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Why?

Because I came up on ready in a martial arts stance, ready to deliver blows if necessary?
Because you enunciated a propensity to have a hair trigger. I'm have extremely good situational awareness, and have never felt the need to over react like you did.
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