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Old 03-24-2018, 09:45 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Have any examples of these stealth ads? What if a regular person mistook it for something innocent?

Police should be aware of the patterns of these coverup ads. They can still go after them. Craigslist should delete them.
If you need examples you are not qualified to even make suggestions or comment on what is effective or not effective.

When there was an adult section (removed under pressure from government) there was no reason for an individual to mistake an ad for what it is.
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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The issue here is third party liability. Letsay a prostitute started posting ads on the cars-for-sale section and it results in discovered criminal behavior. This law opens the door to hold the third party (Craigslist and BP in this example) liable. Similar to the idea of holding youtube accountable for content that was then later used in crimes.

A while back there was some movement to hold manufacturers of guns liable for homicides that involved their products. It was met (understandably) by staunch resistance. Yet holding a third party service liable for prostitution is acceptable? sounds like hypocrisy.



No disagreement from me.
If there are specific patterns to the fake ads, authorities can inform Craigslist about it and they should be deleted. CL can hire people to monitor ads and keep it clear of illegal things. It's like dark web to allow it and we know what happens to operators of dark web sites. Let CL be legit site for legit business. It was sloppy to allow these sketchy things in the first place, why did mainstream site like CL not want to run a clean business until they were threatened.

It isn't like guns at all, unless the gun manufacturers had websites where people could advertise for hitmen and school shooters.
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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If there are specific patterns to the fake ads, authorities can inform Craigslist about it and they should be deleted.
And they couldn't with more blatant ads?

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CL can hire people to monitor ads and keep it clear of illegal things. It's like dark web to allow it and we know what happens to operators of dark web sites. Let CL be legit site for legit business. It was sloppy to allow these sketchy things in the first place, why did mainstream site like CL not want to run a clean business until they were threatened.

It isn't like guns at all, unless the gun manufacturers had websites where people could advertise for hitmen and school shooters.
CL is a site for legit business with a place where adults could advertise to meet each other. When made aware of illegal activities they deleted them. They made it easy for users to delete illegal ads themselves.

Have you even ever been on the site?
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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If there are specific patterns to the fake ads, authorities can inform Craigslist about it and they should be deleted. CL can hire people to monitor ads and keep it clear of illegal things. It's like dark web to allow it and we know what happens to operators of dark web sites. Let CL be legit site for legit business. It was sloppy to allow these sketchy things in the first place, why did mainstream site like CL not want to run a clean business until they were threatened.

It isn't like guns at all, unless the gun manufacturers had websites where people could advertise for hitmen and school shooters.
Not reasonable.... you do realize the number of ads that are posted per day? As mentioned by previous post, users can report ads individually.

I just posted in this thread of a few sites that were on topic with prostitution that had alerts section that warned the "community" of illegal activity, run aways, minors, trafficked victims, roberies and such. The same sites would often pass along information to local authorities. Prostitutes and their customers hate these activities just as much as you do... it hurts everyone.

Those same sites just like craigslist and BP have taken those sections offline... as of last night.

My point is that authorities have always been informed and monitoring. They pick and choose the reports accordingly. At least in my area, they are more concerned with activities around trafficking, drugs, illegal guns, etc. They aren't going to spend resources to go after the many independents that posted ads on their own. They will act if someone complains... they have to

But with FOSTA... now what are they suppose to monitor?



As for you last comment... the analogy is that the crime is perpetuated by the end consumer (the one shooting the gun and the one selling the illegal service) not the third party (the manufacturer of the gun or the provider of the ad service). So yes.. it is exactly the same.

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Old 03-24-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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Craigslist would delete an ad they knew was advertising something illegal and they made it pretty easy for individuals to delete ads on their own.

There are far, far more teachers/priests preying on kids than underage prostitution being advertised on C.L.
I would flag ads every day ray. I got so tired of seeing the same M4M ads every day of a guy that said he was 35 for 10 years and still showing the same pic. Most of the men lied about age and looks in the ads anyways. Women just about were all gone from the site anyways. It had really gone down hill the last few years jill.
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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The Pervs are gonna be squeeling!!

About time


I don't know if you intended to actually state that you take joy in hearing pervs squeel?
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:12 AM
 
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And they couldn't with more blatant ads?



CL is a site for legit business with a place where adults could advertise to meet each other. When made aware of illegal activities they deleted them. They made it easy for users to delete illegal ads themselves.

Have you even ever been on the site?
Yes used the site for legit business like buying a table. I have seen the other sections and thought it was sketchy. Remember the Craigslist Killer in Boston - massage in a hotel- sounds legit alright....

Not sure why CL has not been deleting illegal or questionable personal ads all along or even needed a personals section, it is a great site otherwise no need to get into that other side. They needed a law to do something, too bad they didn't keep on top of it.
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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Closing down the personal sections on Craigslist won't stop sex trafficking .... it's a problem that's much more complicated than that.

And this is why Republicans are the biggest hypocrites .... this is big government, not small government
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:28 AM
 
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Not sure where peeps will find action now. Used to be local AOL chat rooms in the 90's that worked great for meeting and having fun. Now that chats are dead and CL gone i don't know how people are gonna meet and have action.
There are still telephone chat lines.
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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Closing down the personal sections on Craigslist won't stop sex trafficking .... it's a problem that's much more complicated than that.

And this is why Republicans are the biggest hypocrites .... this is big government, not small government
It stops these popular websites from being a party to it and spreading it. They have done plenty to spread it to people who would not have accessed it otherwise.

Why would any legit website want to enable sex trafficking?
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