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Old 04-10-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Dershowitz is in the bag for Trump. Has been for some time.

However, it seems he prefers his Fox pundit role over being on Trump's legal team.

Whether he will step up at the end or not is anybody's guess. But he's smart enough to stay out of the fray now.
I note that "in the bag for" is used for an individual's choice for support of a political figure, though I will also note that Dershowitz has been quite centrist to Left Wing over time and has been critical of Trump; especially running up to the election.

However, the phrase "in the bag" in this nation generally implies a corrupt type of support that is due to being bought or other sub-surface political concerns that are generally counter to a public responsibility for neutrality.

Individuals, who are not employed by the government, generally aren't accountable to a neutral political stance in a democracy. Thus, labeling them as being "in the bag" for one side unduly pains them with a brush of corruption; however slight. When we do that for individual voters, we undermine our democracy because we functionally undermine an individual's free ability to choose their politics.

More correct uses of the term "in the bag" would be: "the MSM is in the bag for the Democrats"; "The FBI is in the bag for the Democrats"; and "the National Security Apparatus is in the bag for the Democrats".

 
Old 04-10-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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Jonathan Turley has an fascinating piece in The Hill about Trump getting caught in a wolf pit.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...the-cohen-trap

Just as Trump was beginning to prepare for his interview with team Mueller, thinking he had it all under control, he was thrown into a rage over the raiding of his personal lawyer’s office.

"Suddenly, Trump was back on camera denouncing Mueller, Rosenstein, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, fired FBI director James Comey and others, as well as discussing the possible firing of Mueller."

"Most competent lawyers agree that firing Mueller, like the disastrous firing of Comey, would present an existential threat to Trump’s presidency."

No kidding.

But even if Trump got away with firing Mueller, he would have to move against the Southern District to shut down the Cohen investigation.

At some point, even the ethically compromised Republicans would have to do something. Surely, they wouldn't just stand by while Trump fired everyone in sight.

The point of a wolf pit is that the more the wolf thrashes around, the more he harms himself.

 
Old 04-10-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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Bull****. He's been president for 16 months. He appointed the AG, the U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York, and the head of the FBI.

Just because they're all doing their jobs doesn't make them swamp rats.
Also the judge who signed off on the warrant was appointed by Trump.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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It's illegal. So you'd be ok with the police rummaging through your trash looking for a crime you may have committed but they didn't know about and were fishing for it? Again, that's illegal. The entire hooker thing is tabloid nonsense, but that's all Mueller's got. Signing a NDA isn't illegal, nor is lying about it if that's what happened. They are trying to tie the payments to her to illegal campaign contributions. That's a stretch and cannot be proven. It's a witch hunt.
Actually anything you put out in the trash is open for search since you relinquished your control

But this isn't about trash collection except that Cohen is pretty trashy in his legal ethics...

And personally, as I have posted, I think Cohen's time as assistant national finance chair for the RNC might be part of what they are hoping to find as evidence of campaign finance violations
There was GOP campaign/media firm that was raided in 2017 in Maryland and it had ties to Manafort, John Bolton's SuperPAC group, Robert Mercer/Bannon and Cambridge Analytica
Nothing much was heard from the FBI/DoJ after the raid but who knows what evidence of illegal campaign money was discovered that had ties to Michael Cohen and the RNC....

I agree Cohen's ties to Trump make these raids seems tied to Trump and part of the language is related to the Daniels case
But don't keep such a narrow focus that you limit your wider horizons

This could be like the iceberg that struck the Titanic and brought down the greatest ship ever built at that time
More than 90% of that iceberg was below the surface and all the more dangerous because of it...
 
Old 04-10-2018, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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You seem to miss the point
That this was what Rosenstein promised when he testified to Congress about how Mueller would proceed if he found evidence that a crime not related to the Russia investigation was uncovered during that same investigation
Rosenstein said that Mueller would come to him with the evidence
They would discuss how to proceed
So they did...
You left out from your post where you posted "Because Dershowitz was WRONG. This wasn't a Mueller action. This was a New York state action against Cohen for bank and wire fraud"


As in Newton's Law "action and reaction"
An action =(Referral from Mueller) acts upon (NY Federal Prosecutor Office) which causes reaction=(NY federal prosecutor's office in New York got search warrants and sent the FBI to raid the office of President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen)MAGA
 
Old 04-10-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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It's a gripping story.

We are actually watching what university law students will study from texts in the future. There will some day be books and documentaries for popular consumption about this era in the same way that we have studies on the antebellum period, or the Teapot Dome scandal, or the great depression, or the civil rights movement.

This is history in the making.

Rule of Law or Rule of Kings?

There is no more gripping tale in history.

This is what democracy looks like. Will it stand or fold?

Looking back, I suspect this is what historians will point out as the tipping point.

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Old 04-10-2018, 09:21 AM
 
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It's illegal. So you'd be ok with the police rummaging through your trash looking for a crime you may have committed but they didn't know about and were fishing for it? Again, that's illegal. The entire hooker thing is tabloid nonsense, but that's all Mueller's got. Signing a NDA isn't illegal, nor is lying about it if that's what happened. They are trying to tie the payments to her to illegal campaign contributions. That's a stretch and cannot be proven. It's a witch hunt.
No, it's not illegal. Because you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal. You might want to listen to somebody besides your buddy Trump and his cohorts at Fox News.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Yes, that's what they believe. Here's a sample of one of their comments from a local Facebook group this morning:

"They have to dredge up whatever they can find and keep it afloat. They are doing everything they can to make Trump look bad so that they can get their lying assed Liberal agenda back in full swing. If it was not for truth being spread on Facebook, we'd ALL need a large tube of Vaseline, because the deep state is trying to screw us all."

.....the "truth" being spread on Facebook. These people are beyond all logic and reason.
Wait, what?????

Haven't we been told repeatedly that Facebook doesn't allow any of that truth-telling on their site and that anyone expressing conservative thoughts was being purged?

Hmmm...


 
Old 04-10-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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That's not what happened here. Mueller is trying to tie that payment to illegal campaign contributions. Cannot be proven. This is nothing but Mueller being a bully.
This is not Mueller. If he comes across something suspicious he is required to hand it over to someone else. It could have died there, Mueller has no control over this.

If you are angry, be angry at Geoffrey S. Berman
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Old 04-10-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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That's not what happened here. Mueller is trying to tie that payment to illegal campaign contributions. Cannot be proven. This is nothing but Mueller being a bully.
Warrants aren't issued on the basis of unsubstantiated evidence. Sorry.
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