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Old 04-10-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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In fairness, Trump would have been a fool to sit down with Mueller in the first instance.
Yes, he would be a fool, a lying fool.

 
Old 04-10-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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Funny how the Loony Left is saying because attorney client privilege is sacrosanct, a judge allowing Cohen to be raided must mean there is something very, very important is to be found. Remember the FISA warrants anyone? Is there another phony dossier?

Leftists should be careful what they wish for. Two tier justice system is what political elites want to keep.

Rush is on now saying Mueller might be goading Trump to fire him because he has found nothing.

FBI and DoJ are turning into the Gestapo. Power mad and want control.

And in other news China said they'd reduce tariffs against US cars!
Remember how it is only the alt-right, Trump-forever fans who believe that line...
 
Old 04-10-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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Michael Cohen managed to leave an evidentiary trail of wrongdoing so compelling that it garnered attention from the Special Counsel, the FBI, the DoJ, the AG, and the US Attorney for the SDNY, and strong enough that the US Attorney for the SDNY sought, the DoJ and the AG's office approved, and a Federal Magistrate issued a warrant on the President's personal attorney authorizing the seizure of documents potentially protected by the attorney-client privilege. Who are the Keystone Cops in this situation again?
Well put.

This was a massive undertaking requiring many levels of serious scrutiny and approval, even probably overview from the Department of Justice in Washington DC and possibly put in front of Jeff Sessions ... and no leaks (imagine that).

Sessions may have gotten ulcers over this, but the DOJ is following protocol precisely.

Cohen didn't see it coming. These people are at the top of their game, very professional (they are accustomed to dealing with mobsters) and disciplined.

The keystone cops are in the white house.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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For those that believe that the US District Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey Berman, is part of the 'deep state' or such, recall that Mr. Trump appointed Mr. Berman at the recommendation of Mr. Sessions.


Mr. Sessions possibly (although I do not know) took the recommendation of Rudy Giuliani, whom at the time was a law partner of....Geoffrey Berman.


Here is the CNN article from January 3, 2018:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/03/polit...eys/index.html


No doubt, Mr. Trump was very interested in whom would take over as DA for said Southern District, since it is where Trump Enterprises is located. Indeed, rather oddly, Mr. Trump personally interviewed Mr. Berman.


Rudy Giuliani law partner to replace Preet Bharara in Manhattan - NY Daily News
Trump apologists would also be wise to realize that Mr. Trump took the unusual step to personally interview Mr. Berman for the position of US District Attorney for the Southern District of New York as well.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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Another fake dossier? Lying to FISA judges has already set a precedent.
Yes, I remember that whole thing where Devin Nunes's head was going to explode because the FBI intentionally mislead the FISA judge by failing to alert him that the Dossier was funded by politically motivated parties... until it was revealed that the FISA judge was expressly alerted that the Dossier was funded by politically motivated parties. I haven't heard anything from Nunes on the topic since.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Absolutely right and Moveon.org has a plan if Mueller gets fired. I suggest all American patriots that understand we are a nation of laws, refer to their site for instructions...

Nobody Is Above the Law—Mueller Firing Rapid Response
https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller...events/search/
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
As I understand it, if Trump fires Mueller before 2 pm, the march to protest this starts at 5 pm.

If Trump fires Mueller after 2 pm, the march is the next day at noon.
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Good information. Thanks for posting this.
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Great, I plan to be part of any response. Thanks for posting!


Good info indeed, but not the way you think it is.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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The idea that Mueller, the FBI, higher-ups in the DoJ, several US Attorneys for the SDNY, and a Federal Magistrate are all ignoring the law and internal procedure to conspire against Michael Cohen is asinine. Try getting your facts from the source rather than parroting Hannity or Brietbart. There are two possibilities:

(1) There is a far-reaching Deep-State conspiracy that involves thousands if not tens of thousands of people including sleeper agents that Trump unwittingly appointed, Judges selected and confirmed by Republicans decades ago, members of the both Houses of Congress, the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the former head of the FBI who is generally revered by both parties, career Assistant US Attorneys, the Director of National Intelligence, the CIA, the NSA, all of the mainstream media (except Fox News), liberal elites, conservative elites, and probably George Soros. The sole purpose of this conspiracy is to undermine Donald Trump.

(2) There is credible evidence that Michael Cohen committed a crime.

Which is more likely?
Gee. That's a tough one.

What does Trump say?

 
Old 04-10-2018, 10:34 AM
 
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Yes, I am aware that you can utilize HELOC funds for anything, but there is a problem with what Cohen then did with the funds, (or if it was a HE loan--not credit line) --he created a shell company in Delaware of course (due to the DE privacy laws) transferred the funds to it, and then transferred them to Avenatti for Stormy.

"...President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer transferred funds from his home equity line to an account for his private company within the same bank — First Republic Bank — to pay porn actress Stormy Daniels $130,000 on the heels of the 2016 election.."

"...The money was then transferred from Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s LLC account to Daniels’ lawyer, Cohen told ABC News. The origin of the funds is just the latest revelation in the saga involving Cohen and the payment he made to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford. The payment was reportedly part of a non-disclosure agreement to keep Clifford quiet about an alleged affair she had with Trump in 2006.



No they do not--it is against the ABA rules. Attorneys must keep trust funds with money to be used for client matters. Trust funds may NOT be co-mingled with the attorney's personal funds. Legal regulations are very clear on this. He will have to explain this, and what do you think he will come up with to do that? Say he was paying Stormy because he had sex with her. That's perjury territory.

And I believe he was emailing from the Trump Organization address. Tell me how he can possibly explain using his own funds (without his client knowledge) while representing the Trump Org? And what about the NDA--will he claim he was the other party--not Trump? The minute Trump enters the picture, Cohen is in huge violations of the bar association.

You can check the NY version of the ABA Rule 1.15 yourself--it is a pdf, so I can't post the link, but it looks even more complicated with the language they have added.

These are serious ethical rules, and he definitely can be disbarred. Who knows what other women's payments or official bribes will turn up? Will Cohen claim this is all his personal money? C'mon--these are seasoned investigators and auditors.

If Cohen's defense is that this is all 'his' money, even though he's worked for Trump for decades, I don't think that is going to fly. And perjury or lying to the investigators is going to land him in jail.

"...A lawyer shall hold property of clients or third persons that is in a lawyer's possession in connection with a representation separate from the lawyer's own property. Funds shall be kept in a separate account maintained in the state where the lawyer's office is situated, or elsewhere with the consent of the client or third person. Other property shall be identified as such and appropriately safeguarded. Complete records of such account funds and other property shall be kept by the lawyer and shall be preserved for a period of [five years] after termination of the representation...."

"...A lawyer may deposit the lawyer's own funds in a client trust account for the sole purpose of paying bank service charges on that account, but only in an amount necessary for that purpose...."

"...Upon receiving funds or other property in which a client or third person has an interest, a lawyer shall promptly notify the client or third person.."

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/p..._property.html

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/p...cy/charts.html

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/abc-cohen-payme

For what it's worth
AVENATTI was not Daniels's attorney when she signed the NDA and took the money
HE would never have agreed to such a pile of excrement
 
Old 04-10-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Tell me, was Nixon's base largely okay with him resigning, at least to a degree that is greater than Trump's base desertion (where it exists), or was it controversial?

You people really need to start using words with more purpose in order to reduce conversational noise. What you decide is controversial doesn't mean that its actually controversial. Serial murder makes headlines but is not controversial.

This investigation is much more controversial than Watergate, where there was actual evidence at the beginning of the investigation in the form of a physical break-in, as evidenced by the respective percentages public division on the matter.
Right back at you.


There is evidence in this case as well.
Lots of evidence.

Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying attention.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 10:36 AM
 
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Trump is attack on our country.
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