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Old 05-02-2018, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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He was right too. His theories on big government control leading to oppressive private industry were correct (as seen in Nazi Germany).

His prediction of globalization was correct. He gave the working class and leftist a path forward. Rather than bowing his head to the elite he offered a power up structure where no one had the right to another persons labor.

He inspired real socialists in Chiapas to give rights and power back to the indigenous population. He inspired MLK to fight for social and economic justice for all of the downtrodden in America.

His work brought forth workers cooperatives like Mondragon, Kantega, and dozens in the Midwest to life letting people work for themselves for the first time in history.

http://www.historyguide.org/images/marx-bio.jpg

Some accuse Marxism of death but all those deaths would need to be multipled 10 fold to even begin to compare to what Capitalism has brought.
The USSR and the rest would have Made Marx roll over in his grave, he didn’t look towards authoritarianism but towards the Paris communes (which were not as reported in the American press). Feminism, racial equality, they all started with Marx.

In Catalonia the syndicalists established a Marxist society offering true freedom to its people and control over their own labor uniting millions voluntarily.
In the United States social security, Medicare, medicade, and all the public institutions that we have and the benefits (weekend work week) that come with them are of Marxian thought.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain


Building more than prosperity it built harmony. Taking from ancient cultures like Taoism to Zoroastrianism to Buddhism, Marx brought the power back into the hands of the individual and formed a world where masters are not needed to control the labor.
For Freedom, for egalitarianism, and for securing our Earth I salute you good sir. In this country there are still Many who want Capitalism and state authority to proceed all else, but these people are in the minority more and more.
Here, things are changing: This Rust-Belt Town.

Towns betrayed by both the state and the private industry are returning power into their own hands. RISE UP people, there is a new dawn for this country and for the world over. Money is not earned from owning stocks or businesses, it is earned from production, and the helping of one man to another.

To see the morning
Look above the horizon
See the oceans crashing far and wide
And never doubt that of what you see is but a reflection of the past
For the future, no matter how far, is on the horizon


In the 20s the Middle East gave rise to socialist leaders from Nasser, Ataturk, Reza Shah, Faisal of Iraq, etc. all who brought reform. None on the backs of free market fantasies brought forth by Austrian economist with the only care for power at the base of their thought.

But together we are united. All of us in our communities, in our families, or here in CD. If we have the will for freedom as Marx called for then we can do the impossible.

Both in peace and war people have struggled and yet one man has inspired the most downtrodden. May his 200th usher in an era of peace and harmony from east to west. ��


marxism, aka communism is/was will always be a complete failure
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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When are y’all going to learn that you cannot have communism without totalitarianism? You think people are just going to give their businesses and land to the state?

And I have to take issue with your assertion that capitalism has killed more than communism. WTH!?! That’s not even close to true. And the capitalist system has brought more people out of poverty and starvation than any other system in human history. Communism has not.
Every system in existence that was mainstream was considered the best. If you lived in feudal Europe people would tell you feudalism feeds everyone. The only reason it does is because it is the system in place.

Workers cooperatives don't lead to authoritarianism, not in clevland In Cleveland, Worker Co-Ops Look to a Spanish Model - TIME

Nor is it the case in Chiapas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapati...nal_Liberation

Authoritarianism comes from capitalism as land owners need authority to back their power over the working class. the USSR and the rest were state-run capitalist societies.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Every system in existence that was mainstream was considered the best. If you lived in feudal Europe people would tell you feudalism feeds everyone. The only reason it does is because it is the system in place.

Workers cooperatives don't lead to authoritarianism, not in clevland In Cleveland, Worker Co-Ops Look to a Spanish Model - TIME

Nor is it the case in Chiapas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapati...nal_Liberation

Authoritarianism comes from capitalism as land owners need authority to back their power over the working class. the USSR and the rest were state-run capitalist societies.
Authoritarianism comes from leftist movements
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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marxism, aka communism is/was will always be a complete failure
Socialism is worked before and it is working today. Marx was right, read his books and join the movement.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Authoritarianism comes from leftist movements
Nope. It's a product of the right. All communist dictators were nationalist like Hitler.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:44 PM
 
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Socialism is worked before and it is working today. Marx was right, read his books and join the movement.
i did read his books about 50 years ago....failure then, failure still
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:44 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CfbK9b4b5Q
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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More 20th century propaganda.

The USSR and China were not socialist, they were nationalistic dictatorships.

Real socialism today is alive in the grassroots in Spain, Mexico, and the United States, and all throughout the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantega - here is one in Norway.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:47 PM
 
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Nope. It's a product of the right. All communist dictators were nationalist like Hitler.
hitler was a leftist... a marx FOLLOWER


leftism brings tyrants
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:47 PM
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Come on, we can all love Marx. Peace and love to everyone here
Groucho Marx, maybe. Karl Marx?? Forget about it!
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