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Old 05-09-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Having a single person manage the labor everyone else isn't just authoritarian, but also inefficient.

If you can convince people to give their labor to you and vote the way you vote, then good for you, but it should be number you can count.
So it's not slavery now?



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Marxism does no such thing it merely points out that workers are fundamentally exploited by the employing class. It is an ideology for the working class not for employers or wannabe rich people a ideology for the majority of humanity. At its core it is egalitarian and democratic not hierarchical and authoritarian like capitalism.
Tell that to winterfell8324 - slavery is exactly what he calls it.

Countries that embraced socialism (Cuba, China, Russia etc) know more about being hierarchical and authoritarian, than countries that embraced democracy and regulated capitalism.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Firstly, anarcho-syndicalism offers a decentralized communist system that is handled by the community. Production is handled based off the needs of the community rather than 'market' demands.

Secondly, allowing capitalism to exist means putting the economy into the hands of a few growth based capitalists along with excessive globalization, the two systems can't co-exist.

The former needs its own political system. If MoP are public then capitalism can't exist. The class base system needs unequal power control.
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Production is handled based off the needs of the community
not the needs of the individual , not the wants/desires of the individual, not the success of the individual...ie slavery to the commune and its 'leadership'.. yes leadership... there will ALWAYS be some sort of leadership, always be the one charismatic or voicetress person to lead the MOB

no longer will individuals be able to do their desires of painting or whatnot, nope, you are enslaved to the needs of the masses

under Marxism(communism) there is no longer the thing called money, your needs are based on the communes needs, your labor is based on the communes needs, you are GRANTED your basic needs and nothing else..... yep a good thing of, no more failures...but on the same hand no more successes, no more doing your desired profession/work, now your labor all for the needs of the commune and its leadership, who do thrive much more than the common man/woman......


to say that Marxism wont have an authoritarian or singular leaders...is a lie of a wackjobs (marx) failed theories
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Firstly, anarcho-syndicalism offers a decentralized communist system that is handled by the community. Production is handled based off the needs of the community rather than 'market' demands.

Secondly, allowing capitalism to exist means putting the economy into the hands of a few growth based capitalists along with excessive globalization, the two systems can't co-exist.

The former needs its own political system. If MoP are public then capitalism can't exist. The class base system needs unequal power control.
Market demands are needs.

How anyone can't comprehend this is beyond me.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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not the needs of the individual , not the wants/desires of the individual, not the success of the individual...ie slavery to the commune and its 'leadership'.. yes leadership... there will ALWAYS be some sort of leadership, always be the one charismatic or voicetress person to lead the MOB

no longer will individuals be able to do their desires of painting or whatnot, nope, you are enslaved to the needs of the masses

under Marxism(communism) there is no longer the thing called money, your needs are based on the communes needs, your labor is based on the communes needs, you are GRANTED your basic needs and nothing else..... yep a good thing of, no more failures...but on the same hand no more successes, no more doing your desired profession/work, now your labor all for the needs of the commune and its leadership, who do thrive much more than the common man/woman......


to say that Marxism wont have an authoritarian or singular leaders...is a lie of a wackjobs (marx) failed theories
Foolish statement. Capitalism produces based off the needs of the market, not one individual. The MoP are public utilities so if you want something for yourself you can produce it for yourself. There is no monopoly on production capabilities.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Market demands are needs.

How anyone can't comprehend this is beyond me.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7l9Zzlnv-JQ

He’s right here as well.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Foolish statement. Capitalism produces based off the needs of the market, not one individual. The MoP are public utilities so if you want something for yourself you can produce it for yourself. There is no monopoly on production capabilities.
The market is made up of individuals.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7l9Zzlnv-JQ

He’s right here as well.
Was that from his Manhattan apartment or his Paris one?

You really should vet this guy. He and his wife are rabid racists.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The market is made up of individuals.
It’s made up of unequal individuals, with some using Marketing and advertisement to manipulate the demands of the consumer to meet the supply. Profit is always the end goal.

Production based off of needs and voluntary participation (make what you need for yourself) leads to resources not being wasted in mass production of goods that do not fill the base demands that are not being met.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Was that from his Manhattan apartment or his Paris one?

You really should vet this guy. He and his wife are rabid racists.
He has many contemporaries including Yanis varoufakis. I post his videos to show the point he’s making. Wolff is a good man.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It’s made up of unequal individuals, with some using Marketing and advertisement to manipulate the demands of the consumer to meet the supply. Profit is always the end goal.

Production based off of needs and voluntary participation (make what you need for yourself) leads to resources not being wasted in mass production of goods that do not fill the base demands that are not being met.
Your problem is with existence again. It's sad you can't understand this fact. This is why Marxism always fails. He believed a forced State (the one you're promoting) would lead to psychological changes in people to the point a State wouldn't be needed.
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