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It might be too early true, but solar technology is not in stasis. Recent advances in nanotech are gonna be game changing in many areas and solar power is one of 'em.
The future of Solar won't be big ugly panels on the roof. Solar collectors will look just like regular roofing and siding... it will even be contained in clear windows. Solar energy will be far more efficient and collect energy as long as it isn't night time, no matter the weather or temperature.
Look it up, it's all coming.
Anyway, you'd have to be a fool to not see the potential of making every building into an otherwise invisible and nonpolluting power plant... even if you wanna live all independent and off-grid.
I won't defend big government's will to control it all and I don't know if forcing early adoption of solar energy will jump-start the future I'm talking about or just be another example of California stupidity, but I do know it's stupid to remain stuck in the past when it comes to energy use/production.
I've seen some exciting POSSIBILITIES, even involving long-range power transfer (carbon nano-tubes).
However, we're talking about a code that goes into effect in less than 2 years when some of those innovations and cost effectiveness may never actually materialize or prove possible but not feasible due to other real world or manufacturing issues.
Just as an example, anti-lock breaks were conceptualized in 1900-1910, used on some planes etc. in the 1950's then some cars but weren't widespread until the 1990's.
Or maybe they're trying to save energy costs by making it so new homes (new construction in California means you have money, poor people don't buy homes in California) can subsidize the costs of energy on all existing homes and apartments by not using as much energy as they normally would.
Again, these are only for NEW CONSTRUCTION meaning that all the millions of homes already built wont be impacted by this. But what it does mean is that instead of spending $200-$2,000/MO on electricity, people will be spending far less, saving money in the long run. On top of that, for each new home to be less of an energy hog will cause a drop in the amount of energy needed, which will lower demand and not decrease supply.
Again, these are all very simple things that for some reason people like you have made into a partisan issue.
Would it be better for us to get our energy from Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Venezuela...or our rooftops? Which makes us safer? Which makes us less dependent on OPEC? Which keeps more money here in the US?
You people are so irrational that you cannot see the obvious facts directly in front of you.
Slap it on all that affordable housing the state needs.
I'm not a fan of regulations like this. When tech changes, policy won't (because by then too many hands are in a particular pot) and everyone will loose.
Or maybe they're trying to save energy costs by making it so new homes (new construction in California means you have money, poor people don't buy homes in California) can subsidize the costs of energy on all existing homes and apartments by not using as much energy as they normally would.
Again, these are only for NEW CONSTRUCTION meaning that all the millions of homes already built wont be impacted by this. But what it does mean is that instead of spending $200-$2,000/MO on electricity, people will be spending far less, saving money in the long run. On top of that, for each new home to be less of an energy hog will cause a drop in the amount of energy needed, which will lower demand and not decrease supply.
Again, these are all very simple things that for some reason people like you have made into a partisan issue.
Would it be better for us to get our energy from Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Venezuela...or our rooftops? Which makes us safer? Which makes us less dependent on OPEC? Which keeps more money here in the US?
You people are so irrational that you cannot see the obvious facts directly in front of you.
We get our electricity from OPEC?
What makes you think the neocons and MIC want out of international conflict?
For starters what if I have a shaded property unsuitable for solar on the roof?
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They'll probably mandate you cut your trees down.
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The idea is fine. Growing government by creating new mandates is not.
You educate people if you want to make a change, you don't force it on them at the point of a (government) gun.
The amount of ignorance and the utter lack of logic is astounding.
#1 ONLY NEW CONSTRUCTION. Not a mandate that all homes be retrofitted with solar panels. Not impacting your "freedom" in any way. Don't want solar panels on your house? DON'T BUY A NEW HOME, THERE'S LITERALLY MILLIONS OF USED ONES TO CHOOSE FROM.
#2 This does not "grow government" but building a wall that nobody needs or wants...that does. You people can't complain about big government when you advocate for wars everywhere, all kinds of weapons, walls, etc. when that stuff costs us hundreds of billions of dollars and employs millions of people.
#3 This is how change occurs. Seatbelts didn't get into cars voluntarily. Neither did airbags or many other safety and pollution regulatory systems. Government has to step in (this is literally the most essential function of government) to ensure that the free market economy doesn't cause a "tragedy of the commons" by destroying everything for the sake of profit. Want to see how unregulated countries look like? Look at China:
What makes you think the neocons and MIC want out of international conflict?
OIL. Oil comes from OPEC. That's where our electricity comes from.
Let’s begin with Saudi Arabia, a country where women are treated like second-class citizens and some Saudi citizens are suspected of directly funding terrorist groups. We send them $60.8 million each and every day for their crude oil.
Next up, Iraq, a country whose military has been documented carrying out “summary executions, beatings of men in custody, enforced disappearances, and mutilation of corpses” and where domestic violence isn’t a crime. We send them $23.3 million every day for oil.
And Venezuela, a declared national security threat to the United States with a list of human rights violations ranging from torture to the murder of political opponents to unaccountable security forces that commit crimes with impunity? We send them $43.8 million every 24 hours.
We also send huge sums of oil money to non-OPEC nations that are notorious human rights abusers (Angola, Kuwait, Libya, United Arab Emirates, Qatar) or have strained relationships with the United States (Algeria, Ecuador, Russia) — and oftentimes both. All told, we send more than a quarter of a billion dollars — at least $254.2 million— to these countries every single day of the year. Over the course of a year, this adds up to more than $92.7 billion. To put that in perspective, that’s enough for the United States to “eradicate” homelessness and make public college tuition free—or enough for our enemies to build thousands of tanks and fighter jets.
The amount of ignorance and the utter lack of logic is astounding.
#1 ONLY NEW CONSTRUCTION. Not a mandate that all homes be retrofitted with solar panels. Not impacting your "freedom" in any way. Don't want solar panels on your house? DON'T BUY A NEW HOME, THERE'S LITERALLY MILLIONS OF USED ONES TO CHOOSE FROM.
#2 This does not "grow government" but building a wall that nobody needs or wants...that does. You people can't complain about big government when you advocate for wars everywhere, all kinds of weapons, walls, etc. when that stuff costs us hundreds of billions of dollars and employs millions of people.
#3 This is how change occurs. Seatbelts didn't get into cars voluntarily. Neither did airbags or many other safety and pollution regulatory systems. Government has to step in (this is literally the most essential function of government) to ensure that the free market economy doesn't cause a "tragedy of the commons" by destroying everything for the sake of profit. Want to see how unregulated countries look like? Look at China:
Absurd. EVERY mandate grows government.
Government is corrupt.
Add 2 + 2.
We will have to agree to disagree on the best way to "grow" safely. This isn't China. Americans aren't Chinese.
Government mandates are not the right way to improve electrical efficiency, just like a wall is not the right way to spend billions to "protect" ourselves. BOTH GROWS GOVERNMENT! The only difference is that one you agree with, the other one you don't.
OIL. Oil comes from OPEC. That's where our electricity comes from.
Let’s begin with Saudi Arabia, a country where women are treated like second-class citizens and some Saudi citizens are suspected of directly funding terrorist groups. We send them $60.8 million each and every day for their crude oil.
Next up, Iraq, a country whose military has been documented carrying out “summary executions, beatings of men in custody, enforced disappearances, and mutilation of corpses” and where domestic violence isn’t a crime. We send them $23.3 million every day for oil.
And Venezuela, a declared national security threat to the United States with a list of human rights violations ranging from torture to the murder of political opponents to unaccountable security forces that commit crimes with impunity? We send them $43.8 million every 24 hours.
We also send huge sums of oil money to non-OPEC nations that are notorious human rights abusers (Angola, Kuwait, Libya, United Arab Emirates, Qatar) or have strained relationships with the United States (Algeria, Ecuador, Russia) — and oftentimes both. All told, we send more than a quarter of a billion dollars — at least $254.2 million— to these countries every single day of the year. Over the course of a year, this adds up to more than $92.7 billion. To put that in perspective, that’s enough for the United States to “eradicate” homelessness and make public college tuition free—or enough for our enemies to build thousands of tanks and fighter jets.
(source: Fuelfreedom.org)
Do you really believe most electricity is generated by oil? It ain’t.
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