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Old 05-14-2018, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It has to do with a dumbing down of America. Japan beat us with better engineering, plain and simple. Good engineering starts at schools. The Republicans, from Reagan on down, continually tried to cut education.

It's no miracle innovation tends to happen when Democrats are in charge.

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recessions happen because of liberal spend happy free money policies

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Old 05-14-2018, 02:05 PM
 
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recessions happen because of liberal spend happy policies

Right. Like Reaganomics.

Or the Bush Jr. Housing crash.

Anyone who says things like: recessions happen because of spending policies; have no grasp in how the economy works or probably doesn't even know what recession means.

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Old 05-14-2018, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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LOL, not exactly a scientific study. You're comparing two different states. As similar as you might think they are, Wisconsin and Minnesota are not comparable. Dairy is a huge deal in WI. Not so much in MN is much smaller with 1/3 the dairy production of WI. There is an endless list of economic factors that vary from state to state.

Consider the state rankings for poverty rate: The best states are:
1. New Hampshire, a toss-up state in every election and neither red nor blue.
2. Maryland, a very blue state.
3. Wyoming a very red state.
4. Connecticut a very blue state.
5. North Dakota a very red state.

You can do the same on almost any stat. Some of the winners are blue, some are red, some are purple. And when it looks bad for the red states, you have to remind people that residents of red states tend to have much stronger buying power than blue. For example, try renting an apartment in the Bay Area of California. Now try doing the same thing in Richmond, Indiana. You'd think you were on two different planets.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Right. Like Reaganomics.

Or the Bush Jr. Housing crash.

Anyone who says things like: recessions happen because of spending policies; have no grasp in how the economy works or probably doesn't even know what recession means.

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the housing crash was the Clinton housing bubble
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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the housing crash was the Clinton housing bubble
Oh, come on! Clinton had not been president for 7 years when the housing crash happened! Maybe blame it on Lincoln or even George Washington!
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:29 PM
 
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Oh, come on! Clinton had not been president for 7 years when the housing crash happened! Maybe blame it on Lincoln or even George Washington!
Clinton's policies forcing banks to make questionable loans to people who could not afford them took awhile to come to a head...


Also, you don't seem to get that Bush was a progressive, globalist RINO...no different than Clinrton and Obama...something the left has a problem understanding. Just because he had an R in front of his name didn't make him a true R....hence the term RINO.
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:34 PM
 
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Right. Like Reaganomics.

Or the Bush Jr. Housing crash.

Anyone who says things like: recessions happen because of spending policies; have no grasp in how the economy works or probably doesn't even know what recession means.

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I know. I burst right out laughing when I read that.

The last Republican president to leave the nation in better economic shape then he found it was Eisenhower.

Every Democratic president since then has left the nation in the same or better shape. Clinton even ran a surplus for several years and handed a srplus budget to Bush.

The states in the worst economic shape tend to be the ones run by Republicans.

This thread is comparing Wisconsin and Minnesota. Why is it that one state is running a $1.6 billion surplus while the one next door is running a $1.6 billion deficit?
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Oh, come on! Clinton had not been president for 7 years when the housing crash happened! Maybe blame it on Lincoln or even George Washington!
the housing bubble started in 1995.. that is a fact
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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the housing bubble started in 1995.. that is a fact
Not what the financial people say:
"The infamous U.S. housing bubble in the mid-2000s was partially the result of another bubble, this one in the technology sector. It was directly related to the financial crisis of 2007-2008."

Read more: Housing Bubble https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h...#ixzz5FVyGTUC6
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I know. I burst right out laughing when I read that.

The last Republican president to leave the nation in better economic shape then he found it was Eisenhower.

Every Democratic president since then has left the nation in the same or better shape. Clinton even ran a surplus for several years and handed a srplus budget to Bush.

The states in the worst economic shape tend to be the ones run by Republicans.

This thread is comparing Wisconsin and Minnesota. Why is it that one state is running a $1.6 billion surplus while the one next door is running a $1.6 billion deficit?
Clinton did NOT have a surplus

its not a surplus when you SPEND IT

false...Clinton/newt never had an actually surplus...... a spent surplus is a deficit




Clinton/newt never had any surpluses.....they had PROJECTED surpluses...but the country SPENT the surpluses...if you project a surplus, then spend more than that surplus... you have a deficit

budgets are best guesses...projections

ie you can say we EXPECT/PROJECT the revenue to be 2 trillion and EXPECT the spending to be 3 trillion...a 1 trillion PROJECTED deficit

or you can say we EXPECT/PROJECT the revenue to be 2 trillion and EXPECT the spending to be 2 trillion...a PROJECTED balanced budget

ie you can say we EXPECT/PROJECT the revenue to be 2.1 trillion and EXPECT the spending to be 1.9 trillion...a 200 billion PROJECTED surplus

and the end of the year all the pluses and minuses are counted.... you can have

ie you can say we EXPECT/PROJECT the revenue to be 2 trillion and the spending to be 3 trillion...a 1 trillion PROJECTED deficit...but revenue rose to 2.2 trillion and we only spent 2.8 trillion...still a deficit but instead of a 1 trillion deficit, now its a 600 billion deficit


you can project a surplus..and have emergencies show up (ie the Mississippi valley flooding...911... etc) and completely blow the surplus to where it becomes a deficit



sorry, but the PROJECTED surpluses of clinton/newt never happened...the debt never got paid, and the debt infact INCREASED


the simple fact is if there had been a surplus, then the debt would have gone down...it didn't


was the BUDGET balanced.....yes

was there a PROJECTED SURPLUS.....yes

was there an actual surplus , once all in's and out's were counted.....NO

here is the 4 years that they claim had a surplus
Fiscal
Year........ YearEnding.... ..National Debt........Annual budget Deficit

FY1998..... 09/30/1998.... $5.526193 trillion...... $113.05 billion
FY1999..... 09/30/1999.... $5.656270 trillion...... $130.08 billion
FY2000..... 09/29/2000.... $5.674178 trillion...... $17.91 billion
FY2001..... 09/28/2001.... $5.877463 trillion...... $133.29 billion


so endeth the myth of the Clinton surplus

a spent projected surplus is not a surplus
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