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Old 05-28-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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Source was GasBuddy.com. They have no political axe to grind. Their figures are correct.

It doesn't matter what your source is, frankly, if you don't include the correct figures for the given period, which appears to be your failing here. For instance...the actual average price for 2015 was in fact $2.45/gallon across the entire calendar year. You give the lowest national weekly average for that given year (cherry-picking one week out of 52), which, at $1.69 per gallon, occurred in the final week of 2015. In truth and in fact, obviously, nobody was paying $1.69 per gallon in 2015 except in the last week of the year. The rest of the year, they were paying at least 50 cents/gallon more than that, on average. You fail to mention this, for some reason.

And once again, intellectual integrity would require that you include the prices during the middle years of the Obama administration, which fluctuated between $3.00 and $4.00 per gallon. Yet, you also failed to do this, for reasons you have yet to explain.

Now is your big chance, bud. Let's have the explanation as to why you chose to omit the numbers for the critical period 2011-2015, when the American gasoline consumer was being absolutely ravaged by high gas prices.

Don't disappoint us, now, pal. Let's have that explanation for your omission now, please. While you're clumsily fumbling about for that explanation, you may want to come up with some equally implausible excuse for misusing the few numbers you did manage to present.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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Yeah, I do. I know it well enough to know that to get an average of $1.69/gallon then areas would have to get down to a bit over a dollar a gallon to get there.

Oh, here's some "averages". None are $1.69.

https://newsroom.aaa.com/2015/12/201...-price-report/
We were paying as low as a $1.12 a gallon for quite a while.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Do you ever look in the mirror and realize what most other posters already know about you?

Aside from the obvious fact you took Bush's top number(which is wrong on price and year) and Obama's bottom number(which is also wrong on price and year), it was clearly an effort to try and dramatize to
naive people it was apples to apples. It couldn't be further from the truth, and you are once again playing partisan politics without factual information.

Those figures and info are all incorrect. Lets not forget that prices were never at 4.10 under Bush, except maybe in places that were remote, or in CA with all their added taxes. Not to mention that Bush was not even in office in 2009, Obama was.

The average price for regular gas at it's highest under Bush was in 2008, and it was $3.25 per gallon over the course of the year.

On Obama's watch, he had 4 years higher than Bush's top year in 2008,,those being;
2011 - $3.52/gal
2012 - $3.62
2013 - $3.51
2014 - $3.36


So not only have you skewed high from low to make it seem as if prices were lower under Obama, you got it completely backwards, in that prices under Obama were not only higher on average, but 4 of his years were higher than the worst year under Bush.

But you know what, I am going to cut good old Obama a break (along with every other potus). The reason is that presidents are responsibility for a lot of things, but gas prices are not one of them. Other than tapping into the strategic reserves, the world market is constantly in flux, and production controlled/manipulated.
So even though prices were worse under Obama, I am not going to say it was his fault. The irony of course to my pronouncement, is that Obama is one of the few presidents that actually said he was looking to implement policies that would in turn raise prices for all sorts of energy, gasoline included.
Then of course we had Nancy Pelosi out there making all sorts of excuses as to why higher prices under Obama was a good thing.
Do you remember that?

So to anyone naive enough to believe what the OP posted as real, look it up yourself, but not on some biased fake news website. If you are an Obama fan, you might not like what you find!


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False, gas prices reached a peak in July of 2008, they back tracked off the highs slightly into the fall of 2008, though still hovering close to $4.00. When it became apparent how deep the recession was getting in October of 2008 is when gas prices dropped sharply. The peak was July 2008.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...TE_NUS_DPG&f=W
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Originally Posted by Milton Miteybad View Post
It doesn't matter what your source is, frankly, if you don't include the correct figures for the given period, which appears to be your failing here. For instance...the actual average price for 2015 was in fact $2.45/gallon across the entire calendar year. You give the lowest national weekly average for that given year (cherry-picking one week out of 52), which, at $1.69 per gallon, occurred in the final week of 2015. In truth and in fact, obviously, nobody was paying $1.69 per gallon in 2015 except in the last week of the year. The rest of the year, they were paying at least 50 cents/gallon more than that, on average. You fail to mention this, for some reason.

And once again, intellectual integrity would require that you include the prices during the middle years of the Obama administration, which fluctuated between $3.00 and $4.00 per gallon. Yet, you also failed to do this, for reasons you have yet to explain.

Now is your big chance, bud. Let's have the explanation as to why you chose to omit the numbers for the critical period 2011-2015, when the American gasoline consumer was being absolutely ravaged by high gas prices.

Don't disappoint us, now, pal. Let's have that explanation for your omission now, please. While you're clumsily fumbling about for that explanation, you may want to come up with some equally implausible excuse for misusing the few numbers you did manage to present.
Lack of the bolded answers your points as to why.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Milton Miteybad View Post
It doesn't matter what your source is, frankly, if you don't include the correct figures for the given period, which appears to be your failing here. For instance...the actual average price for 2015 was in fact $2.45/gallon across the entire calendar year. You give the lowest national weekly average for that given year (cherry-picking one week out of 52), which, at $1.69 per gallon, occurred in the final week of 2015. In truth and in fact, obviously, nobody was paying $1.69 per gallon in 2015 except in the last week of the year. The rest of the year, they were paying at least 50 cents/gallon more than that, on average. You fail to mention this, for some reason.

And once again, intellectual integrity would require that you include the prices during the middle years of the Obama administration, which fluctuated between $3.00 and $4.00 per gallon. Yet, you also failed to do this, for reasons you have yet to explain.

Now is your big chance, bud. Let's have the explanation as to why you chose to omit the numbers for the critical period 2011-2015, when the American gasoline consumer was being absolutely ravaged by high gas prices.

Don't disappoint us, now, pal. Let's have that explanation for your omission now, please. While you're clumsily fumbling about for that explanation, you may want to come up with some equally implausible excuse for misusing the few numbers you did manage to present.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:09 PM
 
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Higher gas prices are also a net positive for our country now that we produce more than we consume. Rising prices with strong production like we've been seeing is a sign of a strong underlying economy.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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All you gas-aholics know so much. Why, when the price of a barrel of oil goes up, the price at the gas pump increases before the sun sets but when the price of a barrel of oil goes down, it is weeks or months before the price at the pump drops?
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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Well the POTUS thinks he controls the economy. he is always bragging like he does.
But you beleive he is correct?
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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When it was high under Slick Willie yes- when it went up under GWB no
When it spiked under Obama- yes
High under Chester Cheeto-no
Same with economy. 1% job increase due to Drumpf; company whacks 100 Or more jobs- residual Obama effect

Cult 45ers will bend over backwards to prove ANY negative quality of life issue in murica isn't affected by the President.
If a Dem was in the white house this increase would definitely be the POTUS fault

Cult45ers will NEVER admit Donnie Dorko does ANYTHING wrong
Regardless If dem or repub you think the price of gasoline or oil is correleated caused or somehow related to a
President?
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:26 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
National retail averages:


$4.10/gal Bush, 2009
$1.69/gal Obama, 2015
$2.98/gal Trump, May 2018


Gas was a lot cheaper under Obama. Politics does have a large role in this because oil markets don't like instability. Trump is such a volatile, unpredictable leader the markets have to price in the risk. Will Trump attack Iran? Will Trump put sanctions on Iran? He roils the markets, causing prices to go up.





Who is Rick Perry for 1000, Alex.


His buddies were not making the big bucks, with a barrel of oil under $55
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