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Old 06-02-2018, 06:15 AM
 
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Plain truth. The new bourgeoisie, retired government workers - oxymoron alert - owns the most important of the means of income, through which it exploits the majority of the tax payer class.

Indeed. This is the actuality. What supports the over generous pensions and retirement 'contract' jobs, you ask?

Corporate profits?

Ugh, no. More and higher taxes.


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Another thing we need to stop is the practice of rehiring employees back as contractors, to do the identical work, but at at least twice the hourly pay - and in addition to their generous pensions.

I know several people, all at GS 14 and 15 (which means salaries of between $120,000 and $150,000), and the first thing they did upon reaching retirement was to retire with a pension (many on the old system where they are drawing at least $80,000) PLUS contract back at around twice their pay (around $250,000 or more), so that it is now costing taxpayers around $350,000 a year for what formerly cost them $130,000. Multiply this by tens of thousands of employees, and soon you're talking about real money.

Or another way they do it is to retire with a pension, and then go part-time as a contractor, meaning their contractor pay at 2 or 3x a week is equivalent to their FT salary. Add in their pension, and they are earning double what they did as a federal employee while cutting their hours in half.

The real problem is with the out-of-control contractor pay.
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Old 06-02-2018, 06:15 AM
 
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That wouldn't be anything new. I spent 10 months trying to get a 1099-R from Defense Finance Office. In total probably 8 hours on the phone, waiting and being hung up on.
Happens in civilian world too. It once took me a year to clear up a clerical error on my mortgage. They kept saying I owed 10k that I did not, Every time I called (which was once a month) they would say "oh yeah I see the problem. we'll fix it and it wont happen again".

If you ever worked in a large organization there is lots of waste and lots of incompetence.
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Old 06-02-2018, 06:18 AM
 
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Cutting 24,000 jobs on the surface cannot be deemed good or bad unless we know the nature of the jobs cut. Some agencies like NIH have been chronically understaffed prior to this administration.
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Old 06-02-2018, 06:50 AM
 
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Plain truth. The new bourgeoisie, retired government workers - oxymoron alert - owns the most important of the means of income, through which it exploits the majority of the tax payer class.

Indeed. This is the actuality. What supports the over generous pensions and retirement 'contract' jobs, you ask?

Corporate profits?

Ugh, no. More and higher taxes.
Thanks, EF.

You probably also know that the counties surrounding Washington, D.C. are the wealthiest in the country. There's a reason for that, and we spell it.....Federal Workers.

Just one little story. I grew up with a nice guy, from a very working class family, who got a government job right after his B.A., and was able to afford a little one-bedroom condo he bought for $60,000 Fast-forward 30 years, and he just told me he bought a $1.2 million beach house, ocean front, which he plans to move into full time.

How did he do it? He was laughing as he told me! He RETIRED from government, and then contracted back to do the identical job! I figure that his income swelled from $150,000 (he was a GS15, step 10) to about $400,000 (pension plus contractor pay). And the extra kicker? His beach house is 150 miles away from his job. He gets to work from home 5 days a week.

Sorry, but a government employee, with lifetime job security, should not end up being able to afford million-dollar beach houses in the taxoayer's dime, and sit in his PJ's all day.
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Old 06-02-2018, 06:56 AM
 
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One of the biggest single benefits of President Trump's agenda, is that the Federal government is actually getting smaller. It'll have to get a lot MORE small to really have a significant impact, but this is a good start.

24,000 civilian bureaucrats off the payroll, at an estimated $80,000 annual salary each (actually many get a lot more), works out to more than $1.9 billion tax dollars saved. Throw in bennies, perks, and those weird "bonuses" (for what?), and it likely tops $2 billion.

That's civilians. The uniformed military, of course, will get bigger as it should. And hopefully Trump can defuse some of the conflicts around the world as he is defusing North Korea now (jury is still out).

But all in all, we are definitely heading in the right direction.

Now if he can just get those budget rescissions going, his will be one of the most successful Presidencies in U.S. History.

(How do you know it's so successful? The liberals have been screaming, wailing, cursing, calling names and basically falling apart ever since 9:00PM Eastern time, Nov. 9, 2016! )

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https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...00-under-trump

Trump Has Cut Federal Payroll by 24,000 Jobs
By Terence P. Jeffrey | June 1, 2018 | 9:19 AM EDT

(CNSNews.com) - The federal government cut 3,000 jobs in May and federal employment has now dropped by 24,000 since President Donald Trump took office, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Even as federal government jobs were declining, overall employment was increasing—as was employment in state and local government.

In April, there were 2,789,000 people employed in civilian federal government jobs. In May, that declined to 2,786,000, a drop of 3,000.

In December 2016, the month before Trump took office, there were 2,810,000 civilians employed in the federal government. That has now dropped by 24,000 to the current 2,786,000.
Only a trumpy would think people losing their jobs is a good thing.
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Old 06-02-2018, 07:05 AM
 
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Only a trumpy would think people losing their jobs is a good thing.
And only libbies would take such a simplistic view.

Sorry, but the federal government isn't a charity to give redundant or unnecessary jobs to people - or to give necessary jobs to people incapable of doing them. So yes, it's a good thing to try to rein in the bloated, out-of-control government.

If they are good, competent workers, they can find jobs in the private industry. Our unemployment rate is 4%.
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Old 06-02-2018, 07:08 AM
 
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One of the biggest single benefits of President Trump's agenda, is that the Federal government is actually getting smaller. It'll have to get a lot MORE small to really have a significant impact, but this is a good start.
So, you're happy Trump is costing people jobs?

Oh, but this is crazy right-wing land, where we are to believe the "evil government" is made of "useless bums" who do nothing all day.

It is sad day for this nation when citizens find joy in putting their fellow citizens out of work based simply on right-wing ignorance of how government workers help the nation every day.

If you so badly want a government with even fewer people working in it, move some failed state lacking a government. But you won't; like all the others, you want the security of a strong and stable nation while still desiring to publicly hate it and put other people out of jobs. Disgusting.
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Old 06-02-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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And only libbies would take such a simplistic view.

Sorry, but the federal government isn't a charity to give redundant or unnecessary jobs to people - or to give necessary jobs to people incapable of doing them. So yes, it's a good thing to try to rein in the bloated, out-of-control government.

If they are good, competent workers, they can find jobs in the private industry. Our unemployment rate is 4%.
How do you know that the 24,000 are redundant or unnecessary? And it is quite flippant to say " if they are good competent workers they will find jobs in private industry". Skilled workers in their 50;s that are let go often have a lot of trouble latching on to a similar job.
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Old 06-02-2018, 07:11 AM
 
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And only libbies would take such a simplistic view.

Sorry, but the federal government isn't a charity to give redundant or unnecessary jobs to people - or to give necessary jobs to people incapable of doing them. So yes, it's a good thing to try to rein in the bloated, out-of-control government.

If they are good, competent workers, they can find jobs in the private industry. Our unemployment rate is 4%.
That is not how government jobs work, the economy works, or how job creation works.

Do you really think government jobs are "charity" and the people don't do real work? And do you really think jobs in the private sector will magically appear for these people who are out of work?

The right-wing ignorance of basic economic is profound; they shouldn't spout off on topics they so utterly fail to understand.
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Old 06-02-2018, 07:11 AM
 
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It's funny. Some people hate government workers because they view them as overpaid union workers, yet these same people cheer on steel imports to save unionized steel work jobs.
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