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Old 06-03-2018, 03:08 AM
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Everyone knows the media is biased - left, right or ?

If they are controlled, then it's called censoring or communism.

If they are Not controlled then they have the right to Lie. (or twist the truth)

Even if you don't agree with them, wouldn't you want the Truth ?
There are regulatory bodies, indeed RT may yet be banned from the UK.

Update on RT news channel - Ofcom

Statement on RT news channel - Ofcom

RT faces seven new investigations in aftermath of Salisbury poisoning - The Guardian

Russian broadcaster RT faces three new Ofcom investigations | The Guardian

Russian broadcaster RT could be forced off UK airwaves | Media | The Guardian
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Old 06-03-2018, 03:14 AM
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As well as Ofcom which deals with communication regulations related to television, the internet and other such sources there are also two press regulatory bodies in the UK which were set up following the Leveson Inquiry.

Independent Press Standards Organisation

IMPRESS

Leveson Inquiry - BBC

In terms of data, such as Facebook data used by Cambridge Analytica that falls in to the remit of the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) in the UK.

ICO will continue to investigate Cambridge Analytica - Business Insider

ICO: Home

Many countries have similar regulatory organisations to the UK, so the answer is yes the media can be forced to adhere to strict standards relating to truth and you can complain in many countries to the relevant regulatory bodies if you suspect bias or misleading reporting.

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Old 06-03-2018, 08:35 AM
 
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Define media

Who's truth?

In order to discern truth I need some measure of knowledge about the subject to start with. Many people need to learn the laws, rules and regulations. From the tiniest city council or HOA to the White House

Before gerrymandering, politicians had to win votes across the political spectrum in their districts. So when legislation was being considered, most took the time to spell out the pros and cons and how it affected everybody in the district. That level of honesty is no longer required. Politicians just need to cater to what their base cares about. They no longer have to make quarterly accountability appearances at the local Lions, Rotary and Chamber of Commerce meetings.

The Fairness Doctrine involved stations with broadcast licenses from the FCC. It said stations had to air issues of controversial public importance and but did not have give equal time to all sides. They had to balance all sides.

IIRC, the equal time law said stations that a had federal license had to give equal time to opposing candidates who requested it. There was something about giving all favored advertising rates. It skewered the equal time requirement based on rates. And it was in used to counter station initiated programs. There were exceptions that made it difficult for the public to monitor.

There are FCC broadcast license stations, and cable stations. There is print from the Monitor to the Enquirer.

The problem is nobody wants to pay for news. Broadcast tv made enough from regular programming to underwrite the 15 minutes of news.

Now you get what you pay for. Why should anybody go to the time expense and trouble to give us truth when most of us wouldn't recognize it if it bit us in the arse. We durn sure don't want to pay for it. You want proof? Look at the people we elect.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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The truth becomes what the person(s) in charge want it to be. I'd rather be lied to.
Agree.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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Everyone knows the media is biased - left, right or ?

If they are controlled, then it's called censoring or communism.

If they are Not controlled then they have the right to Lie. (or twist the truth)

Even if you don't agree with them, wouldn't you want the Truth ?

Truth and facts are not the same thing.


As Ben Kenobi said, how people see the truth can depend on a certain point of view.


Remember TWA Flight 800, the 747 that blew up off Long Island?



There are people who say that a missile took it down because they saw the rising tail fire and then heard the boom. They are telling the truth as they know it.


BUT, what probably happened is that the rising tail fire they saw was the 747 climbing after the nose was blown off and the plane was on fire. The boom they heard was probably the nose being blown off.


So what happened? Speed of light vs speed of sound. The rising tail fire moves at the speed of light and arrived at the witness's position first. The boom, which happened first, arrives at the speed of sound and is behind the rising tail fire image.


Yet, if those witnesses maintained that they say the rising tail fire and then heard the boom, they are still telling the truth as they know it.


Insisting that people tell the truth may not accomplish what one expects.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Everyone knows the media is biased - left, right or ?

If they are controlled, then it's called censoring or communism.

If they are Not controlled then they have the right to Lie. (or twist the truth)

Even if you don't agree with them, wouldn't you want the Truth ?
The media has a "responsibility" to tell the truth, just like everybody else.

As long as they DO tell the truth they are protected by the 1st amendment.

When they betray that responsibility they should LOSE that 1st amendment protection, just like average citizen can have THEIR right revoked for doing things.


They have and HAVE HAD a LOWER approval rating then even Congress and THAT is VERY low!


This helps to explain why there is so much bias in the media...


IF YOU HAD A HUNCH THE NEWS SYSTEM WAS SOMEWHAT RIGGED AND YOU COULDN'T PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT, THIS MIGHT HELP YOU SOLVE THE PUZZLE.

ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, National Security Adviser.

CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama's Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.

ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former Whitehouse Press Secretary Jay Carney

ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama's Deputy Press Secretary

ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama's Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood

CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton's Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.

Ya think there might be a little bias in the news? Ya Think?
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:53 AM
 
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Who gets to decide what the truth is, and by what method do they determine that?
I believe the FCC, Federal COMMUNICATION Commission, has that responsibility just as they oversee the TV and radio airwaves.
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:58 AM
 
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Truth and facts are not the same thing.


As Ben Kenobi said, how people see the truth can depend on a certain point of view.


Remember TWA Flight 800, the 747 that blew up off Long Island?



There are people who say that a missile took it down because they saw the rising tail fire and then heard the boom. They are telling the truth as they know it.


BUT, what probably happened is that the rising tail fire they saw was the 747 climbing after the nose was blown off and the plane was on fire. The boom they heard was probably the nose being blown off.


So what happened? Speed of light vs speed of sound. The rising tail fire moves at the speed of light and arrived at the witness's position first. The boom, which happened first, arrives at the speed of sound and is behind the rising tail fire image.


Yet, if those witnesses maintained that they say the rising tail fire and then heard the boom, they are still telling the truth as they know it.


Insisting that people tell the truth may not accomplish what one expects.
that is not the truth, the truth is raising fire and boom full stop. Those people are not experts in missiles or would know what every missile explosion looks like according to their payload. Unless they saw a guy with a SAM package on the ground then the explosion, that would not be the truth just their own uninformed opinion based on Hollywood movies. This is the problem when people think every ones opinion should be worth the same. Its an infuriating overlap between the left on the right on this, the left with the post modernism "my truth" nonsense and the right's disdain for expertise.
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Old 06-03-2018, 09:01 AM
 
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I'm not the one saying there are lies.


Let's start with ONE.
Trump saying on Air Force 1 that he was not aware of the payment to Stormy Daniels.

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Old 06-03-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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Truth has become a fluid concept. We seem to have reached the point that truth is no longer objective, but is all subjective. in other words whether something is true depends on where you stand and what you believe internally.

Boy is caught with his hand in the cookie jar stealing cookies and chocolate over his face.


Growing Up (The Past): The answer and truth was you were caught red handed stealing the cookies.

Now: This answer and truth is it now it depends, possible truths: (a) You took cookies, therefore, I have every right to take the cookies, (b) you are lying my hand was never in the cookie jar, (c) the cookie jar was already empty, or (d) it is all a made up story to make me look like a cookie thief.


It is a real danger to our democratic institutions where there are no facts. Only opinions.


You blame the media when the fault lies with the viewers.
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