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There were two reasons why Europe did not want us going to Iraq.
1) They were overwhelmingly dependent on Iraqi oil and did not want disrupution.
2) Saddam Hussein did have some aging stockpiles of thousands of chemical weapons that we found (even reported in the New York Times) and, you want to guess who built them? If you guessed Germany, France and Britain, you guessed right. They just didn't need that coming out, and Bush kept their secret.
This is all verifyable with ten minutes of research. The US may have been a bit misguided in going in, but anyone who thinks that we were the bad guys in that region is naive at best.
So why didn't those three countries that you mentioned stopped you from going in. I don't care about the motives behind it, I want to know why the world didn't stop you if they were so against it!
There were two reasons why Europe did not want us going to Iraq.
1) They were overwhelmingly dependent on Iraqi oil and did not want disrupution.
2) Saddam Hussein did have some aging stockpiles of thousands of chemical weapons that we found (even reported in the New York Times) and, you want to guess who built them? If you guessed Germany, France and Britain, you guessed right. They just didn't need that coming out, and Bush kept their secret.
"According to the Washington Post, a Senate committee investigating the relationship between the US and Iraq discovered that in the mid-1980s - following the Rumsfeld visit - dozens of biological agents were shipped to Iraq under licence from the Commerce Department.
They included anthrax, subsequently identified by the Pentagon as a key component of the Iraqi biological warfare programme.
The newspaper says: 'The Commerce Department also approved the export of insecticides to Iraq, despite widespread suspicions that they were being used for chemical warfare."
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This is all verifyable with ten minutes of research. The US may have been a bit misguided in going in, but anyone who thinks that we were the bad guys in that region is naive at best.
The lessor of 2 evils is still evil.
America had no business overthrowing another countrys leader. That's what got us into trouble in Iran.
By 2006, the American military had found dozens of these blister-agent shells in Iraq, and had reports of others circulating on black markets, several techs said. Tests determined that many still contained mustard agent, some at a purity level of 84 percent, officials said.
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Had these results been publicly disclosed, they would have shown that American assertions about Iraq’s chemical weapons posing no militarily significant threat could be misread,
and again, just for context here:
Its canisters had ruptured during the roadside bomb’s detonation, mixing precursors to create sarin with a purity of 43 percent — more than enough to be lethal.
As for the terrorists not using them because they are dangerous to those using them, yeah, becasue its not like terrorrists strap exposives to themselves and blow themselves up or anything.
It was only a matter of time before they started using them, and indeed it is probable that they started using them immediately:
Now you are hearing the news media tell new whoppers such as "ISIL may have made mustard gas themselves" and "they may have gotten it from Syria."
Why would they make it themselves or get it from Syria when they already have hundreds of perfectly operational shells from Saddam?
About 5000 rounds of chemical muntions, many perfectly serviceable (1000 found in a Republican guard compound!) were pulled out of Iraq and it is highly suspected that thousands of more made it into Syria, Russia, or were covertly destroyed.
Why didn't we hear about this- the embarrasing fact that THE EUROPEANS manufactured Saddam's WMD. Not Americans, but EUROPEANS. That is also why thy did not want to fight, and lied through their teeth. America only sold precursors which could be used for pesiticdes and other harmless agenst. It was the Europeans who made actual agent and finished shells.
Lest we revive old canards, let us be clear that stockpiles were a declared reason that we went to war in Iraq:
Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;
This is exactly what Bush was concerned would happen, and if we would not have pulled the troops out under Obama, this would not be happning.
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I've heard the argument a hundred billion times that Iraq was wrong, it shouldn’t have been done, etc. etc. etc. If that's so, why didn't the world protect Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Or the other countries America has invaded?
Why didn't the world aid those countries, put troops there to protect the citizens, create a blockade to prevent American warships from entering and even blockaded America itself and threatened them if it did not cease its invasion?
Iran won't attack Israel because they possess nuclear weapons, with an estimated arsenal of up to 400 warheads, which would make it the world's third biggest arsenal.
Iran would be wiped off the face of the earth, and NATO wants no part in this and certainly isn't going to allign itself any country in sich circumstances.
What is needed is sensible dialogue and not military action that could esculate throughout the missle east and beyond and NATO and the Westno realise this.
Yes, yes but why didn't the world stop them? Why didn't the world protect Iraq?
There are a lot of answers to this question.
First, another question needs to be asked: What's to be gained or lost by defending Iraq?
All the neighbors-Turkey, Iran, Syria, Jordan- had nothing to win by helping Saddam or his government, and more to lose than to win if they went to war against the U.S. Two of them are old allies.
Likewise, few European nations had anything to do with Saddam either. Remember that he started the First Gulf War in 1990, and that one cost him any support he once had in Europe, along with his oilfields after the war ended.
So there was nothing to be gained by going in to defend the Iraqi people against their own ruler. Nobody like him, but nobody liked the thought of going to war to remove him either. The Americans did the world a favor in a way when they started the war and took him out of power.
After he was dead, what nation was going to help the Iraquis? Again, what was in it for them to go to fighting the U.S. military? Iran might want to annex the Shiia portion of Iraq, but why interfere with the Americans to get it?
It would be better for them to let us spend the blood and treasure instead, and then take the territory they want when the time is ripe to take it. Same with the Turks and the Syrians.
We were doing them all a very foolish favor. The more the Iraqi people suffered in our fight with them in their home, the more all the others stood to gain after we left.
We never stay once we go into a war. Sooner or later, win or lose, we always leave. The rest of the world knew that from the beginning. All they had to do was sit around and wait, and picking up the pieces would be easy eventually.
If not for the rise of ISIS, they would already be at it. ISIS' rise screwed their plans up, but the Middle East is patient. Iraq is still a plum for the picking when the time is right for any of them.
Why doesn't the world stop American from doing bad things?
People....... from every country in the world........ Okay let me say this again, I've come across so many anti-American stuff, stuff about CIA, invasions, coups, whatever. People even have issues about the domestic problems of America. They say America is uncultured, uneducated, fat, stupid and so on and so forth. I GET ALL OF THAT ALREADY!!!!! So, there is no need for any of you to repeat it here! I beg you not to repeat here and just answer my question, directly.
My question here is, if they keep doing bad things to the world, why doesn't the world stop them?
When they invaded Iraq, why was the world especially Europe, Canada and Australia (since most of the anti-American comments came from them) and whatever countries still trading with them? Why does the world continue to have relations with America if it is so oppressive? Why doesn't the world sanction America? Why doesn't the world prevent citizens from travelling to it? If Americans are fat, stupid, annoying, loud people, why do other countries still allow them in? Why do countries who have their bases in their borders and not kick them out? If Hollywood is this big evil propaganda machine, why does it still make bank outside the US? Heck, why are American TV shows allowed to broadcast outside and even their music is still popular? Why are American products not boycotted? Why are American sites like this one not banned in other countries?
Why is it when North Korea does something bad, they get sanctioned and all sorts of bad things come their way?
Why is it when Iran does something bad, same?
Why is it when Russia does something bad, same?
Why is it when Cuba does something bad, same?
Why is it when Venezuela does something bad, same?
Why is it when Libya, Syria, Palestine and whatever countries out there does something bad, same?!
But when America does something bad, all they get are a bunch of angry comments from forums like this and probably a bunch of condemnation from world leaders, protesting, burning flags, flak and other stuff which doesn't really do anything........?
You see what I'm getting at?
I've been asking this numerous times and people don't seem to answer me. The usual answers I get are "We don’t hate them buuuuuuut" or "They are destroying themselves anyway"......... None of those answers my question and doesn't the second one make them even more dangerous, where would all those bombs go?
So yeah........ okay fine, I get the reason why the world doesn't....... America, humanity will die but I don't understand why the world doesn't at least do something.
And not to mention by not doing something..... aren't you sort of tolerating them?
I've heard the argument a hundred billion times that Iraq was wrong, it shouldn’t have been done, etc. etc. etc. If that's so, why didn't the world protect Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Or the other countries America has invaded?
Why didn't the world aid those countries, put troops there to protect the citizens, create a blockade to prevent American warships from entering and even blockaded America itself and threatened them if it did not cease its invasion?
Because 'Murica is the policemen of the world. We can't be expected to police ourselves now can we?
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I've heard the argument a hundred billion times that Iraq was wrong, it shouldn’t have been done, etc. etc. etc. If that's so, why didn't the world protect Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Or the other countries America has invaded?
Why didn't the world aid those countries, put troops there to protect the citizens, create a blockade to prevent American warships from entering and even blockaded America itself and threatened them if it did not cease its invasion?
Because the vast majority of nations DO NOT view themselves as the world police with the right to dictate to others what they should be doing.
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