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7. Cleveland: 10.63 per 100K
8. Cincinnati: 10.29 per 100K
14. Toledo: 7.96 per 100K
23. Columbus: 6.14 per 100K
Notable places under 250K population.
Dayton: 5.7 per 100K
Anyone from the Cleveland area can explain Cleveland's standing in a few words: Near East Side.
If you picked up the very tiny geographic area from I-77 (west boundary) to E. 116th (east) and from Just south of Woodland Ave (south) to the lake, and you simply removed it from Cleveland entirely, our stats would put us in the 100 best places to live.
East Cleveland has to be seen to be believed, it's that bad. But like 75-80% of the horror story socioeconomic data that drops Cleveland for an overall metro area comes from a very small, isolated amount of geography. I cannot speak for Cincy, Dayton, Columbus or Toledo, but I'd venture to guess they are similar in that regard.
Anyone from the Cleveland area can explain Cleveland's standing in a few words: Near East Side.
If you picked up the very tiny geographic area from I-77 (west boundary) to E. 116th (east) and from Just south of Woodland Ave (south) to the lake, and you simply removed it from Cleveland entirely, our stats would put us in the 100 best places to live.
East Cleveland has to be seen to be believed, it's that bad. But like 75-80% of the horror story socioeconomic data that drops Cleveland for an overall metro area comes from a very small, isolated amount of geography. I cannot speak for Cincy, Dayton, Columbus or Toledo, but I'd venture to guess they are similar in that regard.
Yeah I have heard that about East Cleveland . That’s a shame , hope the area can turn around .
There are very cheap homes there but everyone says to avoid that area . I have been considering purchasing some rental property in Cleveland .
Looks like there has been a lot of development in the downtown area and population has been going up a lot in the downtown area .
Seems like it has some good potential . I know in Cincinnati over the Rhine area looks like it’s been a big success and it used to be one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in America from what i have read .
I loved Memphis when I lived there. I hate living in the boonies where I do live now. Not sure what good this list is for.
Makes sense . I’ve never been to Memphis but I imagine it’s similar to other large cities in that there are rough areas and then nicer upscale areas .
Nashville TN seems to have a lot better reputation overall . Hear a lot of good things about Nashville .
Some are downright s-holes, but I love Knoxville, and Atlanta? Salt Lake City? There are really nice parts of Cleveland and Buffalo, so I don't trust this list at all.
Anyone from the Cleveland area can explain Cleveland's standing in a few words: Near East Side.
If you picked up the very tiny geographic area from I-77 (west boundary) to E. 116th (east) and from Just south of Woodland Ave (south) to the lake, and you simply removed it from Cleveland entirely, our stats would put us in the 100 best places to live.
East Cleveland has to be seen to be believed, it's that bad. But like 75-80% of the horror story socioeconomic data that drops Cleveland for an overall metro area comes from a very small, isolated amount of geography. I cannot speak for Cincy, Dayton, Columbus or Toledo, but I'd venture to guess they are similar in that regard.
You can say the same thing for most of the cities on the list. Crime is typically isolated to certain parts of town. In Milwaukee it's the north side. In Chicago it's the south side. Cleveland is not special in this regard and they don't get to exclude themselves from the list.
This is not meant as a slight against Cleveland. I enjoy visiting Cleveland and I see a bright future ahead for the city. My mom is from Euclid. I also grew up in Toledo. The stats for Ohio are what they are. But as someone pointed out earlier, Eastern and Northern cities are at a disadvantage due to the watering down abilities of cities who annex at will. There's no point in putting much stock in lists like this.
You can say the same thing for most of the cities on the list. Crime is typically isolated to certain parts of town. In Milwaukee it's the north side. In Chicago it's the south side. Cleveland is not special in this regard and they don't get to exclude themselves from the list.
This is not meant as a slight against Cleveland. I enjoy visiting Cleveland and I see a bright future ahead for the city. My mom is from Euclid. I also grew up in Toledo. The stats for Ohio are what they are. But as someone pointed out earlier, Eastern and Northern cities are at a disadvantage due to the watering down abilities of cities who annex at will. There's no point in putting much stock in lists like this.
I didn't say Cleveland was special. I said it is probably like other cities regarding how small of a geographic area most of the bad socioeconomic data that drags them down in these lists really are.
I'd hazard the guess that every major city that has a crime problem has that crime and/or poverty problem has that problem isolated to a rather small area versus the overall metro area. For Cleveland, that's our near east side and a few neighborhoods on the near west side.
I honestly don't believe that metro Portland, OR is cheaper on COL than Dayton, OH. That sounds kind of ridiculous honestly to me.
Will note, I have never lived in Dayton but know a lot of people from Dayton. They are the coolest people in Ohio IMO. I'm from Ohio but not Dayton BTW. I've never met a person from Dayton that I noticed that, no matter their class, ethnicity/background/religion, etc. They are just cool people (until I meet an a$$hole from Dayton that will be my stereotype of Daytonians - cool people lol).
It's definitely dependent on your income level as the state/city income taxes of Ohio hit you harder the more you make, I'm just above that threshold. My mortgage is $500 more. Utilities cost less. Groceries are pretty much the same. Gas is more expensive but I work from home so that's not really a factor. Health care is more expensive but employer is paying that. Going out can be more expensive...at the nicer places that just weren't really an option in Dayton. But you're not paying any more for say a Red Robin here than there.
All told the state, city where I was working, and city where I was living(higher rate so had to pay them the difference) income taxes plus the higher property taxes more than offset the cost of living difference here.
Basically the more you make the better you get treated by someplace with a regressive tax structure like WA.
No Chicago...a favorite city of discussion on this forum. Enjoy the list and you kids play nice now, ya hear?
1. Detroit, Michigan
2. Flint, Michigan
3. St. Louis, Missouri
4. Las Vegas, Nevada
5. Memphis, Tennessee
6. Cleveland, Ohio
7. Wilmington, Delaware
8. Albany, Georgia
9. Springfield, Missouri
10. Baltimore, Maryland
11. Milwaukee, Wisconsin
12. Florence-Graham, California
13. Hartford, Connecticut
14. Homestead, Florida
15. San Bernardino, California
16. Youngstown, Ohio
17. Pueblo, Colorado
18. Rockford, Illinois
19. Gary, Indiana
20. Little Rock, Arkansas
21. Shreveport, Louisiana
22. Compton, California
23. Merced, California
24. Miami Beach, Florida
25. Daytona Beach, Florida
26. Stockton, California
27. Charleston, West Virginia
28. Springfield, Massachusetts
29. Oakland, California
30. Dayton, Ohio
31. Trenton, New Jersey
32. Tucson, Arizona
33. Fresno, California
34. Canton, Ohio
35. Buffalo, New York
36. Knoxville, Tennesse
37. Toledo, Ohio
38. Kalamazoo, Michigan
39. Tallahassee, Florida
40. New Haven, Connecticut
41. South Bend, Indiana
42. North Charleston, South Carolina
43. Miami, Florida
44. Syracuse, New York
45. Jackson, Missisippi
46. Albuquerque, New Mexico
47. Tacoma, Washington
48. Gainesville, Florida
49. Atlanta
50. Salt Lake City, Utah
Interesting.
I noticed the byline is from KRON, which is a television station in San Francisco (and they got the list from a Richmond, VA station?... that is apparently owned by the same company).
My roots in San Francisco go back to the 1840s, and I'm a Bay Area native.
I've been to 46 of the 50 cities on that list.
There are at least 19 cities on that list that I would choose to live in before choosing to live in the City and County of San Francisco .
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