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No pay for your own stuff. Don’t rely on other people to carry your dead ass.
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And there you have it. Those who have insurance care nothing about those who don`t. "I got mine, too bad for you".
Yep. People that have money believe people without money shouldn't get any coverage. They would love to see people just die off because they can't afford to pay for health services out of pocket.
After the disastrous Obamacare fiasco, does anyone trust the Democrats to come up with a Health Care Plan?
Democrats you screwed up the last one with a huge Tax increase. Please stay away from doing anymore damage.
Health insurance is massively expensive and it is thus a massive de-facto hidden tax. A decent healthcare plan is ~$1000/month or ~$12k/year. If you’re employer is paying it, it might feel like it is “free” but it is money that could have gone directly into your paycheck but didn’t.
You think the anti-Socialism crowd would have been LESS amped up to vote in Trump and strip away the Dem win with Medicaid for all?
If Jesus came back and ran as a (D) the Religious Right would demonize him and refuse to support him. It's not about them. Sanders would have won. It's not about the (R)'s. It's about a growing number that is no longer going to support a bought and paid for (D) candidate.
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And there's nothing wrong w/ Obamacare. It's a solution that uses the free market. It's a vast improvement over the previous system w/ the only hole being that it didn't offer more subsidies.
It was nothing of the sort. If you can't afford the deductibles and co-pays it is next to having nothing.
Correct. That’s why the pro-universal healthcare and anti-illegal-immigration factions need to unite behind a single party. It’ll never happen, but hey...a guy can dream, right?
Sanders was for enforcing our borders and UHC. The chance was there.
If Jesus came back and ran as a (D) the Religious Right would demonize him and refuse to support him. It's not about them. Sanders would have won. It's not about the (R)'s. It's about a growing number that is no longer going to support a bought and paid for (D) candidate.
Right. Dems made the right choice to move the needle towards UHC, and you're mad that they didn't jump right to UHC and ruin the discussion all together.
If they came out in 2008 with UHC, would they have passed it? Would they have kept the majority in the next cycle? Would they have set the stage where UHC is now an openly discussed alternative? Would Republicans have reverted to "Obamacare" and done everything they could to make the only alternative?
You can either be honest with the reality of what they did, or you can keep lying to make a stance against Dems.
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It was nothing of the sort. If you can't afford the deductibles and co-pays it is next to having nothing.
And that was such a slim % of all the people who were participating in the exchange -- something like 3%.
And the majority of those were in states that didn't expand Medicaid.
Right. Dems made the right choice to move the needle towards UHC, and you're mad that they didn't and ruin the discussion all together.
Obamacare did nothing of the sort. It was nothing more than a give away to campaign donors and a plea for more.
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If they came out in 2008 with UHC, would they have passed it? Would they have kept the majority in the next cycle? Would they have set the stage where UHC is now an openly discussed alternative? Would Republicans have reverted to "Obamacare" and done everything they could to make the only alternative?
If President Obama had done what Candidate Obama promised he would, the (D)'s do not lose power.
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You can either be honest with the reality of what they did, or you can keep lying to make a stance against Dems.
Lies? The (D)'s didn't get their asses kicked over this? The lies didn't **** people off? Really?
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And that was such a slim % of all the people who were participating in the exchange -- something like 3%.
And the majority of those were in states that didn't expand Medicaid.
Not true. There was absolutely NOTHING done about the cost side.
If that’s true, good for Sanders. I thought that he was part of the “limiting immigration is inherently racist” crowd.
Secure borders without building a fence
Bernie says that we are a "nation of immigrants. That is, in fact, the strength of America." He believes the US must create an immigration system that invites greater innovation, diversity, and economic opportunity for both American-born citizens and the people who want to make this land their home. Bernie supports immigration reform that will address the legal status of the 11 million undocumented people in our country, protect American jobs by way of visa reform, secure the border, and protect undocumented workers from labor exploitation.
Border Security: We can and must secure borders without building a fence.
We ought to provide a path to citizenship for people from many different countries.
DREAM Act: Supports the path toward permanent residency for young, undocumented immigrants.
Visa Reform: Reject the exploitation of workers and the use of visas for cheap, foreign labor. Increase opportunities for qualified individuals to take steps towards permanent residency.
Open borders for guest workers pushes down U.S. worker wages
Q: You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. Does that include raising the level of immigration to a level of open borders?
A: Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal.
Q: Really?
A: Of course. That's a right- wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States.
Q: But it would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?
A: It would make everybody in America poorer --you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a country called the United States or any other country, you have an obligation to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.
Not only that, they'll be able to actually afford to hire more employees since they'll no longer have to provide health insurance.
Exactly. I've always thought one of the biggest barriers to entrepreneurship is the lack of health care options for entrepreneurs and their potential employees. So many people I know have great ideas but are afraid of quitting their jobs and losing health coverage for themselves and their families. Here's another thing about that; notice all the immigrants that have successfully started businesses? They know if something goes south with their health, worst case, they can go back to their country and get it treated. American entrepreneurs do not have that option.
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No pay for your own stuff. Don’t rely on other people to carry your dead ass.
So are we ending public schools? Exact same thing. Publicly funded, everyone pays in, contribution to and attendance of - mandated.
Selling more lies...They had the chance in 2010 to get something done, when they crontrolled the executive branch, and both Chambers in Congress...and they gave us that disaster of a bill i Obama Care
Thanks, but no thanks.
Socialized medicine isn't the answer
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