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Other than greed, is there any good reason we can't shut down all these health insurance companies and just have the govt itself foot the bill for every persons healthcare needs? God forbid rich people only have 50-100K to live off of compared to millions/billions.
Well as the government produces nothing it can't pay the bill. It must tax those who have money in order to foot the bill.
Competition. Why dont we have it? The guv restricts medical learning institutions, limits doctors, grants monopolies
Can you imagine what the price of computers, televisions and refrigerators would be if the state limited the production of them?
Are you for real?
Putting a check on fraud is a good idea for reducing prices wouldn't you agree?
Here's an example of just one of your 'saintly' free marketeers' record:
& No, not when holding his current position as Governor of FL, this all was revealed during Rick Scott’s prior tenure as CEO of Columbia/HCA:
• Columbia billed Medicare, Medicaid, and other federal programs for tests that were not necessary or had not been ordered by physicians;
• The company attached false diagnosis codes to patient records to increase reimbursement to the hospitals;
• The company illegally claimed non-reimbursable marketing and advertising costs as community education;
• Columbia billed the government for home health care visits for patients who did not qualify to receive them.
The government settled a second series of similar claims with Columbia/HCA in 2002 for an additional $881 million. The total for the two fines was $1.7 billion.
Business worshippers view of the economy: deregulate, if that doesn't increase profits, deregulate some more, if that doesn't increase profits, ... & so on.
Because then the govt is controlling how many visits you get, how much things cost, whether you CAN get a procedure or drug.
Then can decide ... no more medication XYZ. You need a prescription to get it. So doctors are told by govt it's illegal to write that. We're not paying for it.
You REALLY want someone else deciding what coverage you get? Really???
And yes insurance companies do this, but you are free to see any doctor you want. You have to pay for it yourself ... I know no one wants to have personal responsibility or accountability.
Most would rather pay taxes and then be told what to do.
Because then the govt is controlling how many visits you get, how much things cost, whether you CAN get a procedure or drug.
Then can decide ... no more medication XYZ. You need a prescription to get it. So doctors are told by govt it's illegal to write that. We're not paying for it.
You REALLY want someone else deciding what coverage you get? Really???
And yes insurance companies do this, but you are free to see any doctor you want. You have to pay for it yourself ... I know no one wants to have personal responsibility or accountability.
Most would rather pay taxes and then be told what to do.
"Government is controlling ..."?
When the government isn't even allowed to negotiate drug prices? Face it, lobbyists for the healthcare industry are calling the shots.
Just as FIRE sector lobbyists are calling the shots in those interconnected industries (financial, insurance, real estate).
Rumor has it they all want more deregulation all around. How unusual.
Putting a check on fraud is a good idea for reducing prices wouldn't you agree?
Here's an example of just one of your 'saintly' free marketeers' record:
& No, not when holding his current position as Governor of FL, this all was revealed during Rick Scott’s prior tenure as CEO of Columbia/HCA:
• Columbia billed Medicare, Medicaid, and other federal programs for tests that were not necessary or had not been ordered by physicians;
• The company attached false diagnosis codes to patient records to increase reimbursement to the hospitals;
• The company illegally claimed non-reimbursable marketing and advertising costs as community education;
• Columbia billed the government for home health care visits for patients who did not qualify to receive them.
The government settled a second series of similar claims with Columbia/HCA in 2002 for an additional $881 million. The total for the two fines was $1.7 billion.
Business worshippers view of the economy: deregulate, if that doesn't increase profits, deregulate some more, if that doesn't increase profits, ... & so on.
your post doesnt really address my point and I dont claim the free market is saintly nor without fault. You asked "in a for profit system what's the incentive to reduce prices?". Short answer; "competition and choices" both of which are purposely limited by the state.
Can you show where I am wrong?
Last edited by Frank DeForrest; 06-24-2018 at 11:22 AM..
your post doesnt really address my point and I dont claim the free market is saintly nor without fault. You asked "in a for profit system what's the incentive to reduce prices?". Short answer; "competition and choices" both of which are purposely limited by the state.
Can you show where I am wrong?
Can you refute the fact that you are a business-worshipping libertarian lapdog?
Seriously, you say you do not claim the free market is saintly nor without fault however you are known for claiming there is absolutely (ideologicallly & axiomatically) no merit to government.
Competition & choices are limited by the Industries themselves, & by their own choice, & for their own profit, through the economic rent-seeking of their lobbyists & working cooperatively & in tandem with their libertarian lawyer legislative lapdogs.
Last edited by ChiGeekGuest; 06-24-2018 at 11:51 AM..
Can you refute the fact that you are a business-worshipping libertarian lapdog?
So no answer
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest
Seriously, you say you do not claim the free market is saintly nor without fault however you are known for claiming there is absolutely (ideologicallly & axiomatically) no merit to government.
still no answer
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest
Competition & choices are limited by the Industries themselves, & by their own choice, & for their own profit, through the economic rent-seeking of their lobbyists & working cooperatively & in tandem with their libertarian lawyer legislative lapdogs.
Close but no free market cigar. You're describing the very set up Im condemning, except you are missing the part that industries themselves cant limit choices without the brute force of the state. Doctors can't limit the number of other doctors without the state, hospitals cant limit other treatment centers without the state, specialists cant limit treatment choices without the state, pharmaceutical concerns cant maintain an exclusive on a drug recipe without the state, and so on. The state is the problem and the rest are the symptoms of an almighty state.
None of the above is the result of your boogieman libertarianism.
Competition. Why dont we have it? The guv restricts medical learning institutions, limits doctors, grants monopolies
Can you imagine what the price of computers, televisions and refrigerators would be if the state limited the production of them?
Monopolistic Medical Boards...check
Limits on Nurse Practitioners...check
Restrictions on Retail Clinics...check
Onerous Licensing Requirements...check
Immigrant Doctors Required to do Residency/Licensing Again....check
Increasing the Length of Schooling and Limiting Accreditation of Medical Schools...check
It's why the American Association of Medical Colleges has predicted a shortage of 45,000 primary care physicians and 46,000 specialists by 2020
If you're looking for answers from the Statists you might have better luck putting a gun to their head. Violence is the only thing they understand from the looks of it.
Competition. Why dont we have it? The guv restricts medical learning institutions, limits doctors, grants monopolies
Can you imagine what the price of computers, televisions and refrigerators would be if the state limited the production of them?
Could you elaborate on the bold with links to reliable sources (no conspiracy mags, etc)?
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