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Old 07-12-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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Or we need to elect a congress which will put him under some oversight.
I remember thinking when Trump was elected (but not yet sworn in) that while he does control a very powerful position in government, that there was a system of checks and balances and that would keep him in line. For the most part, that system feels like it has failed. There's this "get in line and be loyal to our Dear Leader or step aside." That's kind of dangerous.

There's all sorts of room for thought and political ideology. Yet, we've been made more binary as time has gone on. Seems especially true now.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:20 AM
 
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US Pays 22.1% of NATO Budget; Germany 14.7%; 13 Allies Pay Less Than 1%

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...es-pay-below-1

Does that seem fair to you?
On a completely unrelated note, how do you feel about US income tax brackets? 10%, 12%, 22%, 37?
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What was Paul and Lee's opinion on Russia annexing Crimea, what if they also took over Ukraine. How about China building bases in the South China Sea, should we withdraw from that region also. This was the same thinking leading up to WW2 before we finally made the decision to enter the war.
No it's not. Once we were running supplies to Great Britian to fight Germany we were at war with Germany. Once we embargoed Japan, we were at war with Japan.

Russia taking over Crimea is somehow a threat to America? Wash your hands, you had to reach deep for that one.


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Lee has zero background for the supreme court, you may as well pick a personal injury lawyer. He would make a great sovereign judge though.
Based on what? Because you said so and made a silly comment. Can you at least try to back up your statement on why Lee would be a bad choice?
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:29 AM
 
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US Pays 22.1% of NATO Budget; Germany 14.7%; 13 Allies Pay Less Than 1%

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...es-pay-below-1

Does that seem fair to you?
No. ZERO is a fair amount for an american citizen.
I cant believe anyone would willingly give up a portion of their paycheck to supplement the spending of a foreign government. What are you thinking?
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I think the timing of this was surely strategic.

Congress wanted to let the rest of the world know that rational Americans do like NATO and that America realizes Russia is a problem, regardless of what Trump might say or do on his trip this week.
Tell me, what has Trump "said or done" this week? Well lets see, Told NATO allies that the US taxpayer is paying $700 billion a year to protect them and that it would be nice if they actually paid what they promised. Of course, to unhinged liberals this is an act of war, and how dare The President say anything!!!

Russia a problem huh? Oh please, Mexico is far more of a problem than Russia, but liberals dont care
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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Everyone seems to getting confused over this. Wanting these countries to pay their fair share is NOT that same as not supporting NATO. As usual, the liberals and the media completely make it out to be something that it's not and once again make fools out of themselves.

Further, Trump's point was that Germany made a huge oil & gas deal with Russia when we're supposed to be protecting against Russia, and they're paying Russia billions of dollars in the process, yet can't (or won't) pay their fair share to NATO. And like what has been going on for decades, the US taxpayer foots most of the bill.

That is not even remotely fair, and Trump should be given credit for calling them out. It's like when your dog (or your liberal friend) poops on the rug. Just because you scold them it doesn't mean you don't like them anymore.
This has nothing to do with payments to NATO. It has to do with funding their own defense.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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silly liberals, i guess you think that thinking is for what again? trump said NOTHING about leaving NATO, only that the members should be paying more than they are now for their own defense. isnt that what you guys wanted during the obama administration?
I never commented whether with obama or not about how much NATO should pay. That is something that should be negotiated by the organization, not dictated by one country.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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silly liberals, i guess you think that thinking is for what again? trump said NOTHING about leaving NATO, only that the members should be paying more than they are now for their own defense. isnt that what you guys wanted during the obama administration?
Liberals are never interested in facts, only to twist the truth to a point where its a complete lie just so they can virtue signal
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:48 AM
 
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If your "friends" owe you money, that would be a great strategy.
They don't owe the US money. That is what is called a lie.

There is no NATO account that member states are depositing money to, we have not paid for stuff that other countries were supposed to pay for, there is no communal budget, NO ONE OWES US MONEY.

This isn't like your friends ducking out on a bill and we have to pay the difference. It would be like bringing your assigned lunch to work, eating it, and telling your friends because they didn't bring their own lunch they now owe you money.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:56 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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US Pays 22.1% of NATO Budget; Germany 14.7%; 13 Allies Pay Less Than 1%

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...es-pay-below-1

Does that seem fair to you?
The Nato budget is $1.38 billion, whillst civilian adminstartive budget is $252 million and the NATO Security Investment Program (NSIP), which deals with investment in command and control systems etc cost $752 million.

This is basically the NATO budget and how much you spend is often dictated by what NATO Commands are based in your country.

The NATO Command Structure

There are to be some changes in the NATO Command Strcuture with a new Atlantic Command based in Norfolk, Virginia in the US and a new Logistics Command based in Germany.

New NATO command may be based in Norfolk | Naval Today

Germany has picked a site for NATO's newest command - Business Insider

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