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Old 07-11-2018, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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These went into effect under President Obama. Looks like Canada isn't even trying to meet their obligation as they are well short of 2% and heading the other direction. They also made those decisions PRIOR to Trump yelling at NATO.

Just because Trump is a blowhard doesn't mean Canada should get a free pass and you're siding with them solely because you don't like Trump and turning a blind eye to the facts of the matter.
Like I said: Me thinks Canada made this announcement just because Trump is being such an ass. Why should Canada (or anyone) honor agreements US has already dis-honored?

As a matter of fact, if we don't honor the agreement, any member can say "screw the 2% goal then", and spend as much, or little as they feel like.

 
Old 07-11-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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Actually, he was president in 2014 when the agreement to hike spending was made. That is the very agreement Trump is busy dishonoring as we speak.

Why does he have such appetite to dishonor agreements US has made? Its killing our credibility.

Me thinks Canada made this announcement just because Trump is being such an ass. Why should Canada (or anyone) honor agreements US has already dis-honed?
How about that. Just another example that Obama was hot air, just like the red line ..... In 2018 Germany will not meet its commitment to spend 2 per cent of gross domestic product on defence in the next four years and the ratio will in fact decline from 2020, according to FT calculations based on government budget plans.

Obviously supporting immigrants is more important.

https://www.ft.com/content/542495ae-...8-cae73aab7ccb
 
Old 07-11-2018, 01:19 PM
 
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It's not "bully tactics." It's called not being a limp-wristed president like the last one was.
Is a bank who gives you 30 years to pay a 30 year mortgage being limp-wristed? Maybe they should be "tough" and demand full payment in 3 years. No, they will give you 30 years, because that was the agreement.

There is nothing tough in dishonoring agreements.
 
Old 07-11-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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Leftist Logic.
  • Soy Boy Trudeau cuts military spending for NATO - They Cheer
  • Trump proposes cutting military spending for NATO - They rage, violently demonstrate, call names.
Has to be seen to be believed. No wonder the vast majority of the voters have gone elsewhere.
Good point Waldo,
 
Old 07-11-2018, 01:22 PM
 
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I thought 2% was the original goal, and they have yet to make the goal....Not sure why the left cannot figure this out....
2% GDP defense spending is the agreed upon guideline for 2024. Not sure why anyone would have difficulty understanding this with the exception of those who rely on the White House for facts.
 
Old 07-11-2018, 01:22 PM
 
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So, Canada does not think funding their military is important? Fine by me, have zero care. However, I wish to be no part of a military alliance with them.

At that, the article states "Canadian National Defence spokesman Daniel Le Bouthillier said the drop in investment was largely down to one-off payments.", so it is not really a "reduction", they had one time payments, so it is just going back to normal spending they do.

But hey, anything for a headline.
 
Old 07-11-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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Leftist Logic.
  • Soy Boy Trudeau cuts military spending for NATO - They Cheer
  • Trump proposes cutting military spending for NATO - They rage, violently demonstrate, call names.
Has to be seen to be believed.

No wonder the vast majority of the voters have gone elsewhere.
What is a "soy boy"?

Name calling is a special behavior reserved for the White House and Trump's people.
 
Old 07-11-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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So, Canada does not think funding their military is important? Fine by me, have zero care. However, I wish to be no part of a military alliance with them.

At that, the article states "Canadian National Defence spokesman Daniel Le Bouthillier said the drop in investment was largely down to one-off payments.", so it is not really a "reduction", they had one time payments, so it is just going back to normal spending they do.

But hey, anything for a headline.
Canada is leading a training mission in Iraq, but hey, sit back and complain like a trump.
 
Old 07-11-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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Like I said: Me thinks Canada made this announcement just because Trump is being such an ass. Why should Canada (or anyone) honor agreements US has already dis-honored?

As a matter of fact, if we don't honor the agreement, any member can say "screw the 2% goal then", and spend as much, or little as they feel like.
If that is the case then, I guess they really feel NATO is not needed as well, since they do not feel like contributing to it.

Maybe Trump might be right? NATO is irrelevant? Even Canada is demonstrating that being part of NATO is more of a formality, that an actual operational commitment to commit resources to. Other countries feel obviously not threatened enough to commit the resources requested.
 
Old 07-11-2018, 01:27 PM
 
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Canada is leading a training mission in Iraq, but hey, sit back and complain like a trump.
Wow, leading a training mission, lol. Iraq is not a NATO mission, it is irrelevant to the discussion.

I have no idea what that has to do with what I posted.
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