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Old 07-17-2018, 06:07 PM
 
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History is full of examples of cruel and unusual punishment not only not stopping crime but also being abused by those that dole it out.

Only the ignorant would advocate going back to that. Especially when other countries with better safely nets have significant improvement in dealing with crime rates.

 
Old 07-17-2018, 06:07 PM
 
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Hence, “as long”.
In other words you still support it.
No.
 
Old 07-17-2018, 06:13 PM
 
Location: London
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It is cruel and inhumane and I don't give a damn what anyone stole, I wouldn't want their hands cut off, even if they stole from me. As long as they didn't steal a human.
+1

I can't believe this Saudi America fantasy is still being debated.

The 8th Amendment exists for a reason.
 
Old 07-17-2018, 06:49 PM
 
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Cutting someone's hand off, well, you would have to deal with the 8th Amendment, cruel and unusual punishment. There would be some issues there.
 
Old 07-17-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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Although I’m against Islamic belief in general, I think they have a certain good penal code that could be implemented. One of the punishment is cutting hands of the thieves.

I think that if somebody commits a serious crime and proven and serious theft, cutting their hands is a fair and good punishment. Yes, it’s harsh - but if you don’t want your hands to be cut off, simply don’t steal. Theft crime rate will drop down significantly. If you were prepared to rob a bank or store, you would think twice. I don’t think anybody would be brave enough to do so with this punishment.

America does have capital punishment in some states, so it’s really worse than having hands chopped off. At least they’ll still be alive.
Personally, I'd rather be dead than have my limbs cut off. If you're dead you don't suffer anymore, at least here on Earth. What is up with you this desire for "strongman" rule?
 
Old 07-17-2018, 06:56 PM
 
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Yes, it is cruel I agree. That’s the whole point to eradicate theft
That is NOT the whole point.

Quality of life is the whole point. The quality of life in a society that chops off body parts for punishment would be so low that I would NOT live in it. That's right, I would die first.
 
Old 07-17-2018, 07:09 PM
 
Location: New Jersey (Europe Sep ‘19)
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That is NOT the whole point.

Quality of life is the whole point. The quality of life in a society that chops off body parts for punishment would be so low that I would NOT live in it. That's right, I would die first.
If you don’t want your hands chopped off, then don’t steal. What’s so hard to get in that?
I don’t want anyone stealing, period.
 
Old 07-17-2018, 07:10 PM
 
Location: New Jersey (Europe Sep ‘19)
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Personally, I'd rather be dead than have my limbs cut off. If you're dead you don't suffer anymore, at least here on Earth. What is up with you this desire for "strongman" rule?
Simply don’t steal then... easy. Right?
 
Old 07-17-2018, 07:11 PM
 
Location: New Jersey (Europe Sep ‘19)
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The 8th Amendment exists for a reason.
Capital punishment exists, and is much harsher than hands chopped off.
 
Old 07-17-2018, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Let's first get a broader definition of a thief, and once that's done, you'll have piles of hands from one side of the country to the other.
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