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Old 07-22-2018, 02:20 PM
 
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I define natural law as laws - physical, economic, moral, logical - that exist outside of human institutions. For example, gravity is a physical law, supply and demand is an economic law, murder being wrong is a moral law, and deMorgan's law is a logical law.

Liberals, knowingly or not, tend to not believe that certain types of natural law exist. While they generally accept physical and logical laws, they have blinders up regarding economic and moral laws. They tend more to believe that those types of laws are simply institutionally or culturally contingent norms. In other words, that they are mutable based upon popular perceptions and beliefs.

Conservatives can also have blinders up, but are generally more accepting of natural laws than liberals. The fact that the elderly are more likely to be conservative than the young is evidence of this, as the greater weight of experience forces one to be more respectful of natural law.

At root a rejection of natural law is a rejection of one's place in the world as hemmed in by natural law. In other words, those who reject natural law like to believe that they can change their lot in ways that they cannot. The prime example is someone born into poverty and without meaningful talent. They may believe that the economic system can be reconfigured to equalize things and therefore improve their own lot, but when confronted with arguments and evidence that they have less volition than they would like and their means to improve their situation is more limited than what they will accept, they simply stop believing in the laws that hem them in.

This is the Achilles heel of the left, especially regarding economics. Ceasing belief in natural laws does not cease their operation. It simply increases one's ignorance. Implicit in this take is that recognizing and adhering to natural laws is beneficial. Karl Popper would call this verisimilitude in the context of defining what the scientific method is. As an analogy, if you want to fly you need to obey the laws of aerodynamics. Similarly if you want to become rich you need to obey the laws of economics.

I know that this fatalistic acceptance of the limits of what can be achieved is in many ways unmodern and unamerican, but nevertheless I have learned enough in my studies and in my life that I can't but accept being hemmed in by natural law.
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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OP, what you call Natural Law is better known as Social Darwinism.
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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Nice generalization. Do you have a specific point to make or just felt like rambling?
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Natural law like the earth is only 4000 years old, dinosaurs never existed, and evolution is a sham - - those are what liberals don't believe in?
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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OP, what you call Natural Law is better known as Social Darwinism.
Do you have evidence against it being in operation?
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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Natural law like the earth is only 4000 years old, dinosaurs never existed, and evolution is a sham - - those are what liberals don't believe in?
As I said, liberals are more accepting of physical laws, and evidence, than they are of economic laws, and evidence.

When it comes to making policy, the age of the Earth is a less salient fact than the distribution of income.
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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Nice generalization. Do you have a specific point to make or just felt like rambling?
The point is that liberal policies, especially economic policies, will be crippled more often than conservative policies by the fact that they don't work.

Liberal policies have a fantasy component that makes them more popular than conservative policies. Conservatism survives in democracies despite being less popular because its policies are more likely to work.
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:58 PM
 
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The point is that liberal policies, especially economic policies, will be crippled more often than conservative policies by the fact that they don't work.
Providing no examples of this is doing nothing more than generalized rambling.

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Liberal policies have a fantasy component that makes them more popular than conservative policies. Conservatism survives in democracies despite being less popular because its policies are more likely to work.
Again.
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:00 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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You guys deny climate change and half of you still fight evolution. You're going to lecture the rest of us on belief in natural law?
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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Natural law is that strong animals kill weak animals. This whole crazy experiment called “civilization” has been working against natural law for 10,000 years.

OP: if you want to live alone in the jungle, please do so. Just watch out for those wild animals and deadly diseases...natural law and all of that.
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