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Notice how these anti-wall people constantly bring up Trump said Mexico would pay for it? How many times do I have to post the link showing what Trump's plan is before they keep repeating that argument? You know damned well that they just don't want the wall and not because it's too expensive or won't work but because it's Trump pushing congress to fulfill their promise of 20066. Funny that Obama, Hillary, Biden etc. helped pass that legislations but I don't recall any outrage by these lefties about it back then or demanding that Mexico pay for it. The costs were irrelevant to them back then. Hypocrites!
I just stand by the fact that it's too expensive for a technology that can be overcome with a ladder. $25B or the $100B it would be by the time cost over-runs is money better spent on enforcement of existing laws and hiring actual bodies for Border Patrol. I don't care who's idea it is, it's dumb regardless.
I'd like to point out that Mexico is not and was never going to pay for a "wall". In terms of your points, there are 2 key issues. The "illegal immigration" almost always refers to brown people and not the tons of illegal Europeans and Canadians in the USA. That alone is a nonstarter for talking about immigration.
However, to answer your questions:
1) Don't care about the lottery and if it's eliminated. In fact, if the total # of immigration spots increases, stays the same, cool, eliminate it.
2) Immigration is largely merit based as is. If not, you would not see all of the H1B visa IT workers from India here. The family immigration is for people that want a sibling or parent to move here and it makes sense since there is a family support system in place
3) Agree. How do you do this?
4) Obama deported more illegals than any other POTUS ever.
Your opinion about who's going to pay for the wall is just that an "opinion". Why do you care anyway since it's cost effective and the good walls have already proven to work? Most illegals are from south of our border so yes most would have brown skin so what's your point? There are not tons of Europeans and Canadians jumping our border illegally and in fact most visa over stayers are these "brown" Latinos also. The topic isn't immigration it's illegal immigration.
4. No, Obama did not deport more illegals than any other president. That has been debunked over and over. He was counting those turned around at the border as deportations. He also instructed Homeland Security not to deport any illegal aliens unless they were "convicted" criminals and gave a stay of deportation to millions of illegal aliens under DACA and DAPA. His deportation record was dismal.
What will be the environmental effects of having 1 billion people in the United States by the end of the century, particularly when most will live in the part of the country that is already running out of water?
What will be the economic effects on native-born poor Americans who must compete with low-skilled immigrants for work?
I just stand by the fact that it's too expensive for a technology that can be overcome with a ladder. $25B or the $100B it would be by the time cost over-runs is money better spent on enforcement of existing laws and hiring actual bodies for Border Patrol. I don't care who's idea it is, it's dumb regardless.
Wrong, that's why the good double walls have been very effective because they are very difficult to climb over for one thing. Educate yourself on this issue. The wall would not cost us over $100 billion every year to build and maintain. Where are you getting that? Even if it did it would still be worth securing our border from job, resource and tax stealers along with all the social problems of illegal immigration and our out of control population growth from it. What about criminals and terrorists getting in here via our porous southern border? I guess that doesn't matter to you?
A good physical barrier helps the Border Patrol do their jobs more effectively and it doesn't have to be paid wages and benefits, duh. It's not a dumb idea when you consider all of the above. What is dumb is remaining in denial of the facts and saying a wall isn't necessary. Now that's dumb!
Wrong, that's why the good double walls have been very effective because they are very difficult to climb over for one thing. Educate yourself on this issue. The wall would not cost us over $100 billion every year to build and maintain. Where are you getting that? Even if it did it would still be worth securing our border from job, resource and tax stealers along with all the social problems of illegal immigration and our out of control population growth from it. What about criminals and terrorists getting in here via our porous southern border? I guess that doesn't matter to you?
A good physical barrier helps the Border Patrol do their jobs more effectively and it doesn't have to be paid wages and benefits, duh. It's not a dumb idea when you consider all of the above. What is dumb is remaining in denial of the facts and saying a wall isn't necessary. Now that's dumb!
I disagree. The property rights of the landowners in Texas, the damage to communities takes precedence, and the myth of terrorists pouring across from Mexico is a bunch of bunk.
Name a single government project that came in close to budget. If they're saying the wall is going to be $25B, you know the bill is going to be at least double if not more. Especially once all the grifters making the damn thing start sucking at that teat. I still say anything that can be completely defeated by a ladder is a poor investment.
I have a similar question for Trump's cult members. How can you support kidnapping young children away from their mothers and locking them up in cages and still call yourself human?
They aren't being kidnapped, fool! Any pictures with kids in cages were from the Obama era not Trump's.
I just stand by the fact that it's too expensive for a technology that can be overcome with a ladder. $25B or the $100B it would be by the time cost over-runs is money better spent on enforcement of existing laws and hiring actual bodies for Border Patrol. I don't care who's idea it is, it's dumb regardless.
What is a fact is that most border patrol agents - the folks on the ground with firsthand experience - are in favor of a wall and say that it will help them do their job more effectively. But you know better than they do about illegals crossing the border, right?
What you don't get is the wall is not intended to be an impenetrable barrier but an impediment that will discourage and/or slow down the crossings to allow border patrol to respond. It will be 20-25 feet high so it would take a significant ladder and then you have to get down without a ladder. Now given enough time and desperation even a prego might make their way up a three-story ladder and rappel down but the wall will have cameras so as soon as a ladder is spotted being leaned up against the wall, agents are on their way.
But the real reason we want a wall is because politics goes in cycles and there will eventually be a Democrat for President and "enforcement of existing laws" and beefing up of border agents can be suspended on a whim but a physical wall would remain.
4. No, Obama did not deport more illegals than any other president. That has been debunked over and over. He was counting those turned around at the border as deportations. He also instructed Homeland Security not to deport any illegal aliens unless they were "convicted" criminals and gave a stay of deportation to millions of illegal aliens under DACA and DAPA. His deportation record was dismal.
Isn't it hilarious when Dems try to make these arguments? If Trump were really deporting fewer illegals then illegals and their advocates wouldn't be outraged and defiant about Trump's immigration policies.
What is a fact is that most border patrol agents - the folks on the ground with firsthand experience - are in favor of a wall and say that it will help them do their job more effectively. But you know better than they do about illegals crossing the border, right?
What you don't get is the wall is not intended to be an impenetrable barrier but an impediment that will discourage and/or slow down the crossings to allow border patrol to respond. It will be 20-25 feet high so it would take a significant ladder and then you have to get down without a ladder. Now given enough time and desperation even a prego might make their way up a three-story ladder and rappel down but the wall will have cameras so as soon as a ladder is spotted being leaned up against the wall, agents are on their way.
But the real reason we want a wall is because politics goes in cycles and there will eventually be a Democrat for President and "enforcement of existing laws" and beefing up of border agents can be suspended on a whim but a physical wall would remain.
If you're relying on cameras for ultimate enforcement against prehistoric technology, why not just put cameras and motion sensors and send the cavalry, why do you need the wall?
Isn't it hilarious when Dems try to make these arguments? If Trump were really deporting fewer illegals then illegals and their advocates wouldn't be outraged and defiant about Trump's immigration policies.
First part of the Trump administration combined with the last four of the Obama administration deported half as many illegals as the peak of the Obama administration. Fact. And accounted the same way.
In terms of interior illegal aliens the deportation total does not get to even 1% of the illegal alien population.
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