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Old 08-23-2018, 08:23 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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What that juror hold out did was wrong, she did not take the evidence into account or he would have been found guilty on all charges. It's not a witch hunt, it it was Manafort would have been burned at the stake.
And exactly HOW do y'all know that the other jurors weren't TDS infected Hillary/Bernie/CNN/MSNBC supporters?

Answer: YOU DON'T.

The verdict is the verdict is the verdict. Let the Manafort attorneys take it up on appeal if they so wish...
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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The juror who spoke said that she "hoped Manafort wasn't guilty" and that this was all a "witch hunt" against Trump. She brought a damn MAGA hat to trial with her every day.

Absolutely amazing that someone like this made it on a jury. You can imagine why the lone hold out held out. Democracy is hanging by a thread right now. Good god.
Yes, but amazingly, even with her presuppositions, it shows how good a job the Mueller team has done in not only prepping for the trial, but having irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing.

If I was Trump, this would concern me a lot.
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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Hopefully, Trump will pardon Manafort in the next week or two.
Why?
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:48 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Why?
Now that's a good question. What possible justification could there be for pardoning someone convicted of 8 felony counts of bank fraud and tax evasion?
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Pardons are this administrations only solution to their criminal activity.

Yet they bring their own dangers, as the person pardoned no longer can claim the 5th amendment. Think about that for a minute.

Donald Trump Pardons: How a Pardon Could Backfire | Time
“Anyone pardoned by Trump would lose most of the 5th Amendment’s protection against compelled testimony that might otherwise have incriminated the pardoned family member or associate, making it much easier for DOJ and Congress to require such individuals to give testimony that could prove highly incriminating to Trump himself"
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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Some Trump supporters are too far gone. They can't be reasoned with.

The person you quoted is one of them.
Yes, it's almost like trying to reason with someone about religion.
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:59 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Yes, it's almost like trying to reason with someone about religion.
Arguing with a trumpie is like taking candy from a wet hen.
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:00 AM
 
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The Virginia trial was just the preliminary bout. The trial coming up in the District of Columbia is the main event. Even more evidence and less chance of a Trumpie cretin on the jury.
Don't discount for jury members to take their responsibility seriously, no matter what their bias.

I served on a rape trial jury. My attitude towards rapists is "throw away the key". All the people involved were scummy, the accused rapist, the "victim", and the witnesses.

I was the last hold out during the deliberations. Because I am Canadian, I can't go into any details of the deliberations (it's illegal here), but I can say that, in the end, due to considering ALL the evidence, we found the accused not guilty.

It was obvious with all the guilty decisions, that the Trumpters set their biases aside, and did their proper duty. Some elements of the American justice system is still working.
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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Yeah, like I said...Manafort should flee the country, donate millions to the RNC and THEN Trump should pardon him on his last day in office.

Does that sound good to you?

No what, sounds good to me is Manafort and Trump, both in jail for the rest of their lives.


If I have to take one over the other I'll take Trump in jail.
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:03 AM
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First of all, I don't think Manafort has any dirt on Trump. Nothing. You guys talking about him flipping, but provide WHAT kind of information exactly to prosecutors?



Second, Trump will let the second trial and probably the Mueller investigation play out (assuming late 2018/early 2019) and then commute the sentence of Manafort.
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