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Old 08-11-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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Watching "Comics in Cars" and thought this was a good point by Seinfeld (his direct quote). Thought this was especially on point with the current online climate where big tech are in the middle of the "not allowing" phase and showing their own intolerance. Anyone upset or outraged? What happened to the ideology of "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" that was important enough that the Founding Fathers put it as the #1 Amendment.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I saw a photo this morning on Yahoo news from the "clash" of the white supremacists and a group of counter protesters at the rally in SC yesterday. It had a white guy using a flag pole to keep a black guy that was pointing a 3' long flame from a with a burning aerosol can back.



Where is the tolerance in that?



The white guys might have a message of hate but they have a right to say it and those who are opposed have the right to turn their backs and ignore them. No one has the right to try and set someone on fire no matter how "inflammatory" their speech might be.



Gone are the days of tolerance and we have entered the days of If I don;t agree with you I will shout you down and possible beat you up and maybe kill you.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:31 AM
 
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Watching "Comics in Cars" and thought this was a good point by Seinfeld (his direct quote). Thought this was especially on point with the current online climate where big tech are in the middle of the "not allowing" phase and showing their own intolerance. Anyone upset or outraged? What happened to the ideology of "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" that was important enough that the Founding Fathers put it as the #1 Amendment.
This is, simply put, stupid. It is not the place of a tolerant to allow that which leads to material harm. Only the stupid or intellectually dishonest would make such an argument.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:33 AM
 
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I believe the standard justification is "the only thing I'm intolerant of is intolerance". It's the unassailable loophole that allows them to pursue their agenda aggressively and sometimes even violently with absolutely no regard to their own insincerity.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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You certainly cannot shame and manipulate people by being tolerant. That leaves being intolerant of them and accusing them of all kinds of things. It's the intolerance of the self-proclaimed tolerant.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Watching "Comics in Cars" and thought this was a good point by Seinfeld (his direct quote). Thought this was especially on point with the current online climate where big tech are in the middle of the "not allowing" phase and showing their own intolerance. Anyone upset or outraged? What happened to the ideology of "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" that was important enough that the Founding Fathers put it as the #1 Amendment.
That is not at all what 1A says.

1A: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congress can violate 1A. Individuals cannot, nor can businesses or corporations. 1A gives you the right to say what you want without government interference. It does not give you the right to be heard or tolerated.

In short, you have the right to speak freely, and I have an equal right to shout you down. You can say what you want, but you own it, and whatever consequences it generates.

I personally will not give a platform to any sort of white supremacist, be they klan or nazi neoconfederate or garden variety bigot, and I tend to speak up loudly.

Your quote about "defending your right" is from Voltaire, BTW - a Frenchman.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:54 AM
 
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That is not at all what 1A says.

1A: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congress can violate 1A. Individuals cannot, nor can businesses or corporations. 1A gives you the right to say what you want without government interference. It does not give you the right to be heard or tolerated.

In short, you have the right to speak freely, and I have an equal right to shout you down. You can say what you want, but you own it, and whatever consequences it generates.

I personally will not give a platform to any sort of white supremacist, be they klan or nazi neoconfederate or garden variety bigot, and I tend to speak up loudly.
If that is true then there is no path to vote for a democrat.
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Old 08-11-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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Watching "Comics in Cars" and thought this was a good point by Seinfeld (his direct quote). Thought this was especially on point with the current online climate where big tech are in the middle of the "not allowing" phase and showing their own intolerance. Anyone upset or outraged? What happened to the ideology of "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" that was important enough that the Founding Fathers put it as the #1 Amendment.
Free speech does not extend to the private sector.
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Old 08-11-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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I saw a photo this morning on Yahoo news from the "clash" of the white supremacists and a group of counter protesters at the rally in SC yesterday. It had a white guy using a flag pole to keep a black guy that was pointing a 3' long flame from a with a burning aerosol can back.



Where is the tolerance in that?



The white guys might have a message of hate but they have a right to say it and those who are opposed have the right to turn their backs and ignore them. No one has the right to try and set someone on fire no matter how "inflammatory" their speech might be.



Gone are the days of tolerance and we have entered the days of If I don;t agree with you I will shout you down and possible beat you up and maybe kill you.
Trying to set someone on fire is not speech. Nice try though. Do you have a video of that?

Here is an example of the tolerance of the left. Funny, fire seems to be the theme of the day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnERQIhsCFc&t=12s
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Old 08-11-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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Watching "Comics in Cars" and thought this was a good point by Seinfeld (his direct quote). Thought this was especially on point with the current online climate where big tech are in the middle of the "not allowing" phase and showing their own intolerance. Anyone upset or outraged? What happened to the ideology of "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" that was important enough that the Founding Fathers put it as the #1 Amendment.
You mean like Trump's response to the football kneeling protests?
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