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Old 08-17-2018, 04:29 PM
 
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Or, really, how Republicans are anti-democracy. By their greed. By their over-riding emphasis on avoiding taxes at all cost.


By Nikole Hannah-Jones

Even when they fail, the guiding values of public institutions, of the public good, are equality and justice. The guiding value of the free market is profit. The for-profit charters DeVos helped expand have not provided an appreciably better education for Detroit’s children, yet they’ve continued to expand because they are profitable — or as Tom Watkins, Michigan’s former education superintendent, said, “In a number of cases, people are making a boatload of money, and the kids aren’t getting educated.”

Democracy works only if those who have the money or the power to opt out of public things choose instead to opt in for the common good. It’s called a social contract, and we’ve seen what happens in cities where the social contract is broken: White residents vote against tax hikes to fund schools where they don’t send their children, parks go untended and libraries shutter because affluent people feel no obligation to help pay for things they don’t need. “The existence of public things — to meet each other, to fight about, to pay for together, to enjoy, to complain about — this is absolutely indispensable to democratic life,” Honig says.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/m...c-schools.html
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:40 PM
 
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But the NYTimes is owned by some of the most vile oligarchs in the world and the NYTimes will routinely and consistently run hit pieces on people who they feel threaten the status quo power system. They talk a big game, but outlets like these are definitely part of the problem. They serve the same elites they claim to be against. Democracy is a threat to any system of power and the NYTimes and their owners is part of the power structure.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:44 PM
 
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But the NYTimes is owned by some of the most vile oligarchs in the world and the NYTimes will routinely and consistently run hit pieces on people who they feel threaten the status quo power system. They talk a big game, but outlets like these are definitely part of the problem. They serve the same elites they claim to be against. Democracy is a threat to any system of power and the NYTimes and their owners is part of the power structure.
That's an awful lot of accusations without anything to back them up. As well as being irrelevant to the point being made here.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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That's an awful lot of accusations without anything to back them up. As well as being irrelevant to the point being made here.
Pointing out who the rich are and how they shape public opinion is not irrelevant. Its highly relevant. Media power is getting ever more concentrated with a handful of corporations dominating the vast majority of what people see, hear and read. The NYTimes is not progressive. They are owned by the richest people in the world and serve their interests. They might be a little upset that Trump is in charge because he is such a brass oligarch that expose the crude reality of power, but they'd be perfectly fine with a more silver tongued Trump.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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Or, really, how Republicans are anti-democracy. By their greed. By their over-riding emphasis on avoiding taxes at all cost.
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This is a patheticly deceitful equivocation.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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who do you know that does their taxes with the idea they want to pay more taxes they owe?

what silliness
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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Pointing out who the rich are and how they shape public opinion is not irrelevant. Its highly relevant. Media power is getting ever more concentrated with a handful of corporations dominating the vast majority of what people see, hear and read. The NYTimes is not progressive. They are owned by the richest people in the world and serve their interests. They might be a little upset that Trump is in charge because he is such a brass oligarch that expose the crude reality of power, but they'd be perfectly fine with a more silver tongued Trump.
It's irrelevant because this post is not about the NYT. This post is about ONE brief excerpt from ONE article written by ONE person.

I'm so pleased to hear you say that you don't consider the NYT progressive. I hope that mean you will weigh in to defend them when Trump supporters claim they have a progressive bias.
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Well, democracy is mob rule anyway.

But generally speaking it's a plutocratic oligarchy that the wealthy support and what we have...which is also endorsed by nearly everyone in here even though they are merely peasants in the system.
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:27 PM
 
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Or, really, how Republicans are anti-democracy. By their greed. By their over-riding emphasis on avoiding taxes at all cost.


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Also, this country is purposefully not a democracy and was founded on the idea that pure democracy would allow inherently malevolent rule.
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:40 PM
 
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I thought this thread title was referring to a White socialist-leaning SJW liberal mother-in-law.
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