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Old 08-17-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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So while they are dealing with being diabetic as well as all the other aspects of their life, they should look around for a charity or donor? You're actually encouraging folks to ask for handouts from private citizens while at the same time saying they should not expect handouts from the government. It's the "I got mine, so you can go self-fornicate" argument.

Arguing your point that diabetics deserve to die if they can't afford health care gives credence to that philosophy which I found absolutely repugnant. But you said one of the risk factors, etc. etc. What about the other risk factors? Do they deserve to die as well? I was never more than 20 pounds overweight and this was years before I was diagnosed. I played a lot of basketball with friends, rode my bike 10 miles a day, sometimes more, and walked a lot, too. I was in pretty good shape, all things being equal. Right up until the time Ibecame diabetic. Go figure.
Just ignore the disgusting attitude of a few in here. Chances are, they talk a big game but they will also rely on a public safety net sooner or later. Life happens and no one knows what can happen. People think they have so much control over their lives but they really dont.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:09 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So while they are dealing with being diabetic as well as all the other aspects of their life, they should look around for a charity or donor? You're actually encouraging folks to ask for handouts from private citizens while at the same time saying they should not expect handouts from the government. It's the "I got mine, so you can go self-fornicate" argument.
It's no different than the "I don't have what I think I'm entitled to, so YOU have to pay for me to have it" mentality. I don't see the problem with expecting private donations/charity to fund all the demands for freebies. There's no end of bleeding-hearters insisting that the poor should get all kinds of things for free, especially here on city-data. Well, now's the chance for the bleeding-hearters to step up themselves and pay for it.
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Arguing your point that diabetics deserve to die if they can't afford health care gives credence to that philosophy which I found absolutely repugnant.
Again, that is not what I said. Private donations/charities can pay for it.
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But you said one of the risk factors, etc. etc. What about the other risk factors?
Because it apparently isn't clear enough to you... The number one risk factor for type 2 diabetes is being overweight.
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I was never more than 20 pounds overweight and this was years before I was diagnosed.
There you go. Self-inflicted.
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I played a lot of basketball with friends, rode my bike 10 miles a day, sometimes more, and walked a lot, too. I was in pretty good shape, all things being equal. Right up until the time I became diabetic. Go figure.
But you were overweight, which is something you could have changed.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Because it apparently isn't clear enough to you... The number one risk factor for type 2 diabetes is being overweight.
It's still just one of the factors. I hope neither you not anyone you know becomes diabetic. It is a hell I would not wish on anyone. So is not having adequate health care.

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Old 08-17-2018, 04:25 PM
 
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It's still just one of the factors. I hope neither you not anyone you know becomes diabetic. It is a hell I would not wish on anyone. So is not having adequate health care.
Being less than 20 lbs overweight is not that high of a risk factor compared to genetics.

Should people who have bad genetics be banned from having children?
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:28 PM
 
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Being less than 20 lbs overweight is not that high of a risk factor compared to genetics.

Should people who have bad genetics be banned from having children?
And the biggest risk factor is being human. Neither genetics nor being overweight are by any means the causes of most diseases.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The cost of single-payer health care ($3.2 trillion/year) is $10K per person. A family of 4 costs $40K. Who pays for that?
False my whole family is covered by my highly subsidized by my employer insurance.

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Old 08-17-2018, 04:45 PM
 
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False my whole family is covered by my highly subsidized by my employer insurance.
The employer doesnt pay for it. You pay for it through lower wages.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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It's still just one of the factors. I hope neither you not anyone you know becomes diabetic. It is a hell I would not wish on anyone. So is not having adequate health care.
My Mom is. Brought on by being overweight. No surprise. She was warned by her Dr. but didn't make the diet and lifestyle changes she needed to.

And do you really not see how being irresponsible with your own health very likely caused your diabetes, the health problems that followed (as complications of diabetes), and caused you to lose your job which was providing insurance?

People frequently make self-sabotaging life decisions, and then try to pretend they're victims instead of the actual instigators. It's ridiculous. And then they demand that others work as slaves to pay for the damage they've done to their own lives.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:56 PM
 
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Being less than 20 lbs overweight is not that high of a risk factor compared to genetics.
Genetics is a major factor in Type 1. Being overweight is the top factor in Type 2. And as I posted, 90.9% of diagnosed diabetes cases are Type 2.

My Mom is about 20 lbs overweight. Has been for years. She developed Type 2. No one else in the family is diabetic.

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Should people who have bad genetics be banned from having children?
No, but they should be prepared to provide for their health issues. Children are, after all, their parents' responsibility.
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:01 PM
 
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And the biggest risk factor is being human. Neither genetics nor being overweight are by any means the causes of most diseases.
Wow, are you under-informed.

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...sks-overweight
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