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Old 08-17-2018, 11:09 AM
 
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When urban planners want to stuff people into dense cities and have the only green spaces being parks... yes let's bring our kids to play at the park.
SO.....what? 76 people OD in different places across the wide area ?


that's better?

 
Old 08-17-2018, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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Have we not learned that say no to drugs does not work.
We will spend billions and incarcerate thousands of people with no improvement in the situation.
Legalize drugs, tax them and the rate of consumption and over dosage drops.
Making it illegal will only worsen the situation.
 
Old 08-17-2018, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Which isn't marijuana, and chemically doesn't even resemble marijuana, and which there would be no market for if real marijuana was legalized. Now go off and have another beer or glass of wine while you disparage people for wanting to smoke a joint.
No smoking! It's amazing how the people against cigarette smoking look the other way for marijuana. Personally, I think the marijuana is spiked and that's why crazy "progressives" are not mellow but have Trump Derangement Syndrome on full display.
 
Old 08-17-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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No smoking! It's amazing how the people against cigarette smoking look the other way for marijuana. Personally, I think the marijuana is spiked and that's why crazy "progressives" are not mellow but have Trump Derangement Syndrome on full display.
 
Old 08-17-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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No smoking! It's amazing how the people against cigarette smoking look the other way for marijuana. Personally, I think the marijuana is spiked and that's why crazy "progressives" are not mellow but have Trump Derangement Syndrome on full display.
I'm really, really worried you're serious.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Watch one what you put in your pipes fellas. The death toll is rising from synthetic marijuana.

This drug is turning Florida inmates into ‘zombies.’ It’s fueling a record death toll

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/spe...215642855.html

Meal times at Tomoka Correctional Institution Work Camp look like a scene straight out of the “Walking Dead,” a former employee of 10 years told the Miami Herald.

The past two years have each been the deadliest in Florida prison history, consecutively. And 2018 figures to be worse yet. Total deaths this year are on track to exceed 500 for the first time, a previously unthinkable threshold. And every year, more younger people are dying. The spike in mortality is paralleled by a dramatic rise in “accidental deaths,” up from 12 in 2016 to 62 in 2017. Those are mostly drug overdoses, according to the department.

The top killer, according to an internal FDC audit: synthetic marijuana, more commonly called K2 or Spice.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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SYNTHETIC MARIJUANA ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE OF THE PROHIBITION OF MARIJUANA.

Prohibition creates a multitude of problems-violence, death, overdosing from dangerous substances that only exist to bypass archaic and dangerous drug prohibition laws.

Same thing with the fentanyl crisis--if there were a legal regulated opiate market we would not see heroin or other opiates tainted with dangerous fentanyl, rat poison and filler chemicals. Prohibition has given us the highest overdose rate in US history.

The SAME thing happened during the prohibition of alcohol--use and overdose rates went WAY up and organized crime was born.

Some people are dreadfully SLOW to learn-and they are killing so many in the process by clinging to outdated propaganda disproven again and again.

It is sick-because people like Finn will gleefully post rising drug deaths and violence convinced it will help their argument that we need more of the same. The literal definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. There are many clinically insane individuals mucking **** up all over the country.

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Old 08-21-2018, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The SAME thing happened during the prohibition of alcohol--use and overdose rates went WAY up and organized crime was born.
Who told you that?

Alcohol consumption declined by 30-50% during prohibition.

Deaths from liver cirrhosis declined from 30 per 100,000 in 1911 to 10 in 1929, only to spike again after repeal.

And no, organized crime was not born during that time period. As a matter of fact, there was a significant increase in organized crime before the prohibition.

Your claim that we have ODs because of drug prohibition is bunk. Booze is legal, and it did not eliminate alcohol related deaths. As shown above, the opposite is true.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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SYNTHETIC MARIJUANA ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE OF THE PROHIBITION OF MARIJUANA.

Prohibition creates a multitude of problems-violence, death, overdosing from dangerous substances that only exist to bypass archaic and dangerous drug prohibition laws.

Same thing with the fentanyl crisis--if there were a legal regulated opiate market we would not see heroin or other opiates tainted with dangerous fentanyl, rat poison and filler chemicals. Prohibition has given us the highest overdose rate in US history.

The SAME thing happened during the prohibition of alcohol--use and overdose rates went WAY up and organized crime was born.

Some people are dreadfully SLOW to learn-and they are killing so many in the process by clinging to outdated propaganda disproven again and again.

It is sick-because people like Finn will gleefully post rising drug deaths and violence convinced it will help their argument that we need more of the same. The literal definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. There are many clinically insane individuals mucking **** up all over the country.
I agree with everything you said, but the difference today, with the opioids, there is HUGE profits to be made by criminalizing legal opioids, once all the pain pill addicts couldnt get pills from their doctor, they went straight for the heroin dealers (who does that benefit...the cartels of course).

The drug cartels have the DEA to do their dirty work, ensuring there is little to no competition for them in the US.

It was really quite clever when they cracked down on opioid prescription drugs, it was the most effective way for the cartels to increase demand for heroin, supplied by THEM!

US law enforcement benefits too, since they have a whole new group of 'criminals' to target, which justifies larger budgets for them, more agents, etc. Its a win-win.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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Who told you that?

Alcohol consumption declined by 30-50% during prohibition.

Deaths from liver cirrhosis declined from 30 per 100,000 in 1911 to 10 in 1929, only to spike again after repeal.

And no, organized crime was not born during that time period. As a matter of fact, there was a significant increase in organized crime before the prohibition.

Your claim that we have ODs because of drug prohibition is bunk. Booze is legal, and it did not eliminate alcohol related deaths. As shown above, the opposite is true.
If that is true, why are we not seeing overdose and drug related deaths go down with opioids then? Its wasnt long after the crackdown on prescription opioids that numerous cities and states started having heroin epidemics...how do you explain that?

Besides that, the BIG question is, how is SOOO much dope consistently coming in and reaching its destination, enough to cause numerous epidemics?
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