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Old 08-24-2018, 04:10 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by BOS2IAD View Post
He used a SS card and an out-of-state ID card that belonged to another person. That's ID theft.

The taxes were filed under the ID theft victim's name. The SSA and the IRS don't communicate with one another. Right now several people could be using your SSN but the the SSA won't tell you. You only find out when the IRS comes after you about not filing taxes on a job you never worked.
That's true, and I don't get that. Why isn't the Fed Gov required to tell you your identity has been stolen and is being used by one or more other people?
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BOS2IAD View Post
He used a SS card and an out-of-state ID card that belonged to another person. That's ID theft.

The taxes were filed under the ID theft victim's name. The SSA and the IRS don't communicate with one another. Right now several people could be using your SSN but the the SSA won't tell you. You only find out when the IRS comes after you about not filing taxes on a job you never worked.
Are you guessing - or was that what they said?

He seemed to be going by his real name with his facebook page and all his friends - of which there were many in town.
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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Total B.S. lies made to cover for the real issue. Anyone can get their copy of S.S. paid into the system and check for themselves. If there was so many people doing this it would be front page news all the time.
The IRS keeps a secret list for each user of the same SSN. You may not ever know your SSN has been stolen and used by others.

From an NBC Affiliate:
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"Findings of the 13 Investigates report include:
  • The IRS accepts millions of tax returns – and issues tax refunds – even when taxpayer documents show clear warning signs of identity theft
  • Confidential IRS policies instruct IRS employees not to tell taxpayers when someone else uses their social security number to earn income
  • The IRS allows illegal immigrants to "borrow" social security numbers that do not legally belong to them
  • The IRS is discontinuing a program to notify taxpayers when their social security number is used by someone else to gain employment"
More: https://www.wthr.com/article/secret-...-theft-victims
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:23 PM
 
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more info:

https://cis.org/Cadman/What-Real-Ide...ollie-Tibbetts
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I think that you are completely ignorant of the fact that illegal aliens have a better than 50% chance of beating e-verify.
Only if the employer refuses to use E-Verify which is what this farm owner did.
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Only if the employer refuses to use E-Verify which is what this farm owner did.
Nope. That 54% failure to identify illegal workers rate is of those actually vetted with e-verify.

From the report commissioned by DHS:
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"As seen in Exhibit 2, approximately 3.3 percent of all E-Verify findings are for unauthorized workers incorrectly found employment authorized and 2.9 percent of all findings are for unauthorized workers correctly not found employment authorized. Thus, almost half of all unauthorized workers are correctly not found to be employment authorized (2.9/6.2) and just over half are found to be employment authorized (3.3/6.2). Consequently, the inaccuracy rate for unauthorized workers is estimated to be approximately 54 percent with a plausible range of 37 percent to 64 percent. This finding is not surprising, given that since the inception of E-Verify it has been clear that many unauthorized workers obtain employment by committing identity fraud that cannot be detected by E-Verify"
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...12-16-09_2.pdf

A unique biometric identifier such as fingerprints, retinal scan, etc., would be required from every US citizen, LPR, and authorized temporary non-citizen worker to make e-verify work as well as it was intended to. E-verify has no such database.
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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E-verify misses 54% of illegal workers. Now what?
Learn the facts, that is what.

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The statistics in the above chart report E-Verify case processing results through Fiscal Year Q1 2018 (October 2017 – December 2017). All figures are expressed as a percentage of the total number of cases submitted and percentages are rounded. Total E-Verify Cases: 8,793,734. Cases Not Found Work Authorized: 80,367.

Most employees are automatically confirmed as work authorized.

98.95 percent of employees are automatically confirmed as authorized to work ("work authorized") either instantly or within 24 hours, requiring no employee or employer action
1.05 percent of employees receive initial system mismatches.
Of the 1.05% of employees who receive initial system mismatches:

0.13 percent are later confirmed as work authorized after contesting and resolving the mismatch.
0.91 percent are not found work authorized.
Of the 0.91% of employees not found to be work authorized:

0.62 percent do not contest the mismatch either because they do not choose to or are unaware of the opportunity to contest and as a result are not found work authorized.
0.01 percent contest the mismatch and are not found work authorized.
0.29 percent are unresolved either because the employer closed the case as "self-terminated" or because the case was awaiting further action by either the employer or employee at the end of FY18 Q1.
https://www.e-verify.gov/about-e-ver...fy-performance
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:34 PM
 
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Perhaps when they see it in their pocketbook they will get it. Try paying thousands in property taxes for schools your own children can't even attend anymore, not to mention the thousands for the county hospitals for them to give birth in. Volunteer to give a lift to a crying widowed mom. Sit in the waiting room and not hear one word of English. Sit there and think about all the homeless citizens we could be helping. Escape to your mountain cabin, only to have an illegal burn down the forest. Or, remember your legal Hispanic bank teller who was killed by an illegal wrong way driver. I could go on and on.
In these small white and formerly white American farming communities, there can't be a lot of job opportunities but the ones that there are the businesses fill the positions with illegals. So the white and other citizens go without or leave their homeplace. If you stay you have to put up with the incompatibility and unpleasantry of foreigners and sometimes crime like this while they take opportunities away from the community. Talk about sticking it to the citizens. The trafficking of foreigners and illegals into the community is a similar situation to the slave trade. Except slavery wasn't as lucrative as employing the illegals and slaves weren't being as subsidized by tax payers and in a position to chase down and violently murder citizens or annoy them in every other way under the sun.
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:35 PM
 
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Learn the facts, that is what.
I did. I posted them. Read my prior post. E-verify has a 54% failure rate in identifying illegal workers. Why? With a grossly insufficient unique biometric identifier database, it cannot detect identity fraud/theft.
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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Are you guessing - or was that what they said?

He seemed to be going by his real name with his facebook page and all his friends - of which there were many in town.
Read post #879 in this thread.
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