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Old 08-22-2018, 10:10 PM
 
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Cohen spent no money. Therefore, it's not a payoff. No campaign entities were involved. I can't stop you or anyone else from making up things out of thin air.

wow. this is bordering on delusional.


so no pay-off was given to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal because the trump organization re-paid michael cohen? cohen plead guilty to 8 felony charges concerning this yesterday......... and you believe i'm making things up out of thin air.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Repeating it like a mantra means nothing with regards to the law.

What matters is what is written.

Let me dig up some things for you.
Yeah you go read the law, we’ll all be waiting for you.

(says the guy that already knows it).

Bye now. Buh-bye!!!
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:11 PM
 
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Where the funds came from is immaterial. It’s still an undisclosed FEC violation- ergo illegal.

You guys aren’t really grasping that concept are you?
The source of the funds does matter--because there will be an investigation of that source for who/how/when the money was obtained and spent and who did it

Ergo--if the money for the two women and perhaps OTHER women not yet reported as being paid off came from two sources--there are two money trails
If one came from the Trump Foundation and one from Trump Corporation then both places will be investigated
And knowing how fast and loose Trump and his minions tend to treat the law of the land regarding anything, I think it is likely other violations could be uncovered that lead to legal charges...

This is like putting a very complex puzzle together--maybe one that is round and has very busy design and small pieces....
You have to take your time, find the edge pieces (my preferred method of puzzle building), build the frame and work from there--
Sometimes you find pieces that fit together quickly and at other times you have to search and search to find pieces that intersect....
It is only when you have completed most of the puzzle that you probably fell you are making headway...

I wish someone would make a puzzle of the Trump Family in prison jumpsuits and donate profits to Amnesty International but I guess they would have to sign over their copyright interest or they would be making money...
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:12 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Won’t be a pile of crap if Trump paid for it, lol.
Why would he pay for the dossier, especially since hillary and the dnc paid for it? Are you now trying to say that he colluded with hillary, the dnc, steele, and his Russian pals(is this finally where russiax3 comes in) for the dossier that was a hit piece against him? Wow you people are really going off the rails.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:13 PM
 
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Repeating it like a mantra means nothing with regards to the law.

What matters is what is written.

Let me dig up some things for you.
Hey, you ever take a moment to look back over your life at the circumstances that led to you running interference on social media for a serial adulterer who has cheated on every one of his multiple wives and violated campaign finance laws in an attempt to hide affairs with both a playboy girl and a porn star?
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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as the pay-off is specifically intended to benefit the campaign ( cohen has admitted to this fact ) it is considered a campaign contribution by FEC rules.

Um...Corrupt Cohen can say it was "meant to benefit the campaign" until Abe wakes up, but it's TRUMP'S intention, in spending HIS money, that matters.

It's as clear as crystal that voters didn't give a rat's patoot about Trump's indiscretions with women in the past. Even his affair with Maples was front-page news. And to the news media's consternation, voters didn't care about the Access Hollywood tape of Trump, either. It's going to be a pretty futile effort to convince people that he cared more about hurting the campaign than keeping it from his pregnant wife.

After all, if they couldn't indict John Edwards...
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:14 PM
 
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2008 Presidential campaign... John Edwards...

Justice Dept. won't retry Edwards

A grand jury indicted the Democrat and two-time presidential candidate last year on charges that he illegally received campaign donations from his 2008 finance chairman Fred Baron and wealthy heiress Rachel “Bunny” Mellon. The funds, spent on private jet travel, luxury hotels and housing for Edwards’s mistress, Rielle Hunter, never passed through campaign accounts. However, prosecutors said they amounted to donations to Edwards’s campaign because they were intended to prevent damage to his presidential bid by hiding the extramarital affair from the media.



That's the scenario. Jury was deadlocked. The case was dropped by the DOJ.


The Justice Department has dropped its prosecution of former Sen. John Edwards over nearly $1 million in payments his backers made to support his pregnant mistress during the 2008 presidential campaign.

...
The one-page filing concluded a prosecution that sparked significant criticism of the Justice Department by campaign finance lawyers who deemed the case legally flawed and by Democratic activists who considered it a form of political payback from a Republican prosecutor in North Carolina.



Like most other things - there is nothing new under the sun. We did this already.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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So what if it benefits the campaign? It's not campaign money.

He can spend his own money outside of the campaign funds for stuff outside of the campaign that would benefit him.

Otherwise - you could say that the fact that he pays his electric bill is a campaign expenditure - because it benefits his campaign for him to not look like a deadbeat who can't afford his electric bill.




Cohen spent no money. Therefore, it's not a payoff. No campaign entities were involved. I can't stop you or anyone else from making up things out of thin air.

Campaign finance laws are pretty damn clear about what constitutes a campaign contribution and how it must be accounted for. You literally don't know what you are talking about.

Which is odd, because the "hottie" story has been well reported, including in-depth coverage of the legal issues. I suggest you review your news sources - they are not serving you well.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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The source of the funds does matter--because there will be an investigation of that source for who/how/when the money was obtained and spent and who did it

Ergo--if the money for the two women and perhaps OTHER women not yet reported as being paid off came from two sources--there are two money trails
If one came from the Trump Foundation and one from Trump Corporation then both places will be investigated
And knowing how fast and loose Trump and his minions tend to treat the law of the land regarding anything, I think it is likely other violations could be uncovered that lead to legal charges...

This is like putting a very complex puzzle together--maybe one that is round and has very busy design and small pieces....
You have to take your time, find the edge pieces (my preferred method of puzzle building), build the frame and work from there--
Sometimes you find pieces that fit together quickly and at other times you have to search and search to find pieces that intersect....
It is only when you have completed most of the puzzle that you probably fell you are making headway...

I wish someone would make a puzzle of the Trump Family in prison jumpsuits and donate profits to Amnesty International but I guess they would have to sign over their copyright interest or they would be making money...
No it really doesn’t matter. Regardless of where the money came from it’s still a reportable action, which wasn’t done- that’s a violation in of itself.

The rest is salacious speculation.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Why would he pay for the dossier, especially since hillary and the dnc paid for it? Are you now trying to say that he colluded with hillary, the dnc, steele, and his Russian pals(is this finally where russiax3 comes in) for the dossier that was a hit piece against him? Wow you people are really going off the rails.
If Trump PAID FOR THE HUSH MONEY.

Please try and follow along, mmmkay??
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