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Old 08-23-2018, 12:40 PM
 
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Mueller and the Media Represent the Ancien Régime

The Mueller probe, with its indictments of Trump associates for offenses unrelated to its ostensible mandate, combined with mendacious media coverage of President Trump, is an obvious attempt to restore the old order that the electorate rejected in 2016. It seeks to annul the will of the voters and return us to the incipient authoritarianism that germinated during the Obama era, and which the ruling class expected to blossom under Clinton. The bureaucrats who support the restoration of Beltway despotism call themselves public servants, yet despise the public. The politicians who support it call themselves Democrats, yet despise democracy.

The most important fact to absorb about all this is counterintuitive: The primary target isn’t really the President. Mueller and his apologists know Trump is the voice of a nationwide rebellion against their authority, and realize that the threat can’t be neutralized until he is silenced. The end game is to crush what they see as a peasant’s revolt. Mueller’s function is to provide a legal pretext for removing the President from office. The role of the media is to misrepresent everything he does in order to trick independent voters into giving the Democrats a majority in the House. This will prevent Trump from continuing to act on his 2016 mandate.



This is on the money. People from both sides of the aisle are among the authoritarians - better known as the Swamp.

When they don't win legally, they will use the courts and the legal system to get their way and minimize threats to their agendas and interests.

When that doesn't work, that's when they cause chaos in society with the Antifa type of groups.

They want people unaware and uneducated and complicit and not involved.

Trump is the direct target... the people who upset the apple cart and elected Trump is the ultimate target.
I supported Trump in my earlier post today, but Dont over glorify , though.

He is keeping the "ancient" regime happy through the tax cuts, record profits, share buybacks, Goldman Sachs appointments to treasury etc.

I would give him a gold medal when he is able to make college affordable and guarantee nominal healthcare to everyone. The stock market boom, 4% growth means nothing to a jobless man.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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This is correct, but the reasoning is backwards.

Trump represents the barbarians. They are rebels - rebels without a clue, I might add. They are impatient with diplomacy, process, and basically anything resembling civility. They want an iron fist to hammer through things they want done, as long as it gets done they don't care about the process.

Mueller and other establishment types, on the other hand, are the gentlemen, the civilized, process-oriented ones. They understand that if change is to come, it must come slowly, and that all stones must be first turned, all angles examined, everyone consulted, etc., before some incremental change can be made. It is the very process of being patient which distinguishes them from the barbarians.

Trump = Conan the Barbarian
Mueller = Aristotle or Plato
Trump is barbaric..BUT NOT FOR ANY NOBLE CAUSE. He's a thief and grifter and sizes up the marks in the audience in order to formulate the con game. If they were screaming for cracking the egg on the small end as opposed to the large end, that is the bull-**** cause he would throw red meat for. A total self-serving barbarian.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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I supported Trump in my earlier post today, but Dont over glorify , though.

He is keeping the "ancient" regime happy through the tax cuts, record profits, share buybacks, Goldman Sachs appointments to treasury etc.

I would give him a gold medal when he is able to make college affordable and guarantee nominal healthcare to everyone. The stock market boom, 4% growth means nothing to a jobless man.
Not over-glorifying him, as he has plenty of his own faults and issues... just pointing out that we are the target here.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:43 PM
 
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Still on the 100% projection all day every day strategy eh?
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:44 PM
 
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Mueller and the Media Represent the Ancien Régime

The Mueller probe, with its indictments of Trump associates for offenses unrelated to its ostensible mandate, combined with mendacious media coverage of President Trump, is an obvious attempt to restore the old order that the electorate rejected in 2016. It seeks to annul the will of the voters and return us to the incipient authoritarianism that germinated during the Obama era, and which the ruling class expected to blossom under Clinton. The bureaucrats who support the restoration of Beltway despotism call themselves public servants, yet despise the public. The politicians who support it call themselves Democrats, yet despise democracy.

The most important fact to absorb about all this is counterintuitive: The primary target isn’t really the President. Mueller and his apologists know Trump is the voice of a nationwide rebellion against their authority, and realize that the threat can’t be neutralized until he is silenced. The end game is to crush what they see as a peasant’s revolt. Mueller’s function is to provide a legal pretext for removing the President from office. The role of the media is to misrepresent everything he does in order to trick independent voters into giving the Democrats a majority in the House. This will prevent Trump from continuing to act on his 2016 mandate.



This is on the money. People from both sides of the aisle are among the authoritarians - better known as the Swamp.

When they don't win legally, they will use the courts and the legal system to get their way and minimize threats to their agendas and interests.

When that doesn't work, that's when they cause chaos in society with the Antifa type of groups.

They want people unaware and uneducated and complicit and not involved.

Trump is the direct target... the people who upset the apple cart and elected Trump is the ultimate target.

So we're just supposed to look the other way when a crime has been committed simply because he's your guy and your adoration of him is boundless? I don't think so. You want Trump to escape justice simply because you favor his agenda. It just doesn't work that way.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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Trump is the people trying to stand up to an elite, both political and monied, that has destroyed the American way of life.

When Trump has failed, and he is starting to do so now, the question no one knows the answer is what will those tens of millions of people then do? They may not use the election system again. This is what occurred in the mid 1800's.

Any removal of Trump must be carefully planned so as to address this issue. And his removal is almost certain now. He can take both the GOP and potentially the United States with him.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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This is correct, but the reasoning is backwards.

Trump represents the barbarians. They are rebels - rebels without a clue, I might add. They are impatient with diplomacy, process, and basically anything resembling civility. They want an iron fist to hammer through things they want done, as long as it gets done they don't care about the process.

Mueller and other establishment types, on the other hand, are the gentlemen, the civilized, process-oriented ones. They understand that if change is to come, it must come slowly, and that all stones must be first turned, all angles examined, everyone consulted, etc., before some incremental change can be made. It is the very process of being patient which distinguishes them from the barbarians.

Trump = Conan the Barbarian
Mueller = Aristotle or Plato
Hop into the pot Mr. Frog. Don't be concerned that the pot is on the stove... the water is slightly warmer than normal, but you will get used to it in no time.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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The author misses the point of what is going on. There are three "classes" involved.


First is the middle class, who are being used to pay for the whole uprising. They get nothing, but are hard workers and 'go with the flow' as long as their life balance is not too upset. (IMO they should be more concerned, but that is something they may need to figure out on their own).


Then there is the lower class. The deplorables if you will. Generally not doing well financially, generally not well educated, and easily manipulated with rhetoric that tells them, were it not for the blacks, gays, women, Muslims, etc. they would be doing well. They are carrying the weight, and will get nothing when the elites have finished using them to rise to power.


And lastly, but foremost, is the 'elite' class. The "Trumps", (although I don't think he has a pot to **** in outside of cash flow) if you will, who benefit from the tax breaks, the government spending on sweetheart contracts, the people who can stack the court (it's great to have courts that hate gays, Muslims, blacks, etc; until they hate YOU), the people who can pay off the legislators to keep the whole elite circle intact, and the people who can suck the life out of the working class to their advantage.


The current administration is a documented bunch of thieves, crooks, authoritarian charlatans who will stop at nothing to attempt to take over America. The little guy is the pawn who does the dirty work of getting rid of the "undesirables" (basically anyone who is not white, male and "just like them"). When the authoritarians completely take over, the little guy will meld with the middle class to just be one of the serfs who pay the bills. Anyone who steps out of line will meet with a certain very painful demise "for the good of the Nation".


America is in a VERY Bad place. Mueller is the last hope that our Government can be gutted of these swamp creatures who have attempted, and are well on their way, to a takeover. Silence the "fake" Press; Silence the dissenters (take away their security clearances); Discredit anyone who dissents, even if you have to perpetuate lies to make it happen; pack the courts; shame the immigrants and convince the meek that it is they who are taking what could be money and jobs; and lastly, but most importantly, preach the Constitution, but ignore the intent and the laws it provides for.


The author is way off base when he suggests that we are facing a peasant uprising whose leader is the Donald. We are facing a Donald uprising where the peasants are being used to fan the flames on the promise that there is something in it for them (beyond getting to yell "Lock her up", "stop them from immigrating", "make our allies pay" (those rotten bastards who only serve to house our military bases) and "build the wall" (so we can keep competitors for my non existent job out of America.


It has taken me a while to type this. Let's see how many 'patriots' rang in during this period to support the author.


Sad. If it wasn't so frightening. Really frightening.

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Old 08-23-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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Trump is the people trying to stand up to an elite, both political and monied, that has destroyed the American way of life.

When Trump has failed, and he is starting to do so now, the question no one knows the answer is what will those tens of millions of people then do? They may not use the election system again. This is what occurred in the mid 1800's.

Any removal of Trump must be carefully planned so as to address this issue. And his removal is almost certain now. He can take both the GOP and potentially the United States with him.
And exactly how is the guy that has ripped off fellow Americans, craps in a gold plated toilet while raising the membership fee at his exclusive golf resort after sliming into office and cutting taxes for the wealthy including himself, not part of the problem? Supporting Trump is standing up to the elite? hahahahaha
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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America is in a VERY Bad place. Mueller is the last hope that our Government can be gutted of these swamp creatures who have attempted, and are well on their way to a takeover.
This is what I don't think people understand - So we get rid of Trump. Now what?

No issues have been resolved. Country still a mess and indeed the market has crashed. You will have to find a new Lincoln to even attempt to fix this. What are the odds someone would do that? For this country, which is hated around the globe and now inside, it's doubtful.
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