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Old 09-01-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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Many have made the comparison, of course.


‘Bigger Than Watergate’? Both Sides Say Yes, but for Different Reasons.
By Peter Baker

Watergate has long been the touchstone for modern American scandal, the mountain of misconduct against which all others are judged... But rarely has the comparison been as intense and persistent as during the 16 months since Mr. Trump took office — a comparison deployed by both sides in hopes of shaping the narrative of wrongdoing. What started out as an inquiry into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election has mushroomed into questions of perjury, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, abuse of power, illicit spying, hush money, tax fraud, money laundering and influence peddling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/u...a-inquiry.html
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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It’s really not worse than Watergate. Not even close.

Time has attenuated the profundity and uniqueness of what happened during Watergate. This new thing isn’t even in the same ballpark.
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Old 09-01-2018, 07:03 PM
 
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When it's all said and done and the dust has settled, historians will more likely compare it to McCarthyism rather than Watergate.
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:07 PM
 
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Not worse than Watergate- yet.
There is still more to revealed than has been disclosed. No one will know just how bad it is or not until the revelation comes. It looks like Mueller is rapidly nearing conclusion. But since he's side-passed several cases over to the Special Court of New York, a Virginia State court, and a D.C. metro court, there may be something that emerges from any of them, and they're not running on Mueller's schedule.

While there's nothing that forbids him keeping up his investigation after today, Sept. 1, the official campaign season has now begun, and there's a tacit agreement that Mueller will either suspend his investigation until after the election or release his report in the next week or two at most. He could do either, and he has said nothing about it.
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:12 PM
 
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Many have made the comparison, of course.


‘Bigger Than Watergate’? Both Sides Say Yes, but for Different Reasons.
By Peter Baker

Watergate has long been the touchstone for modern American scandal, the mountain of misconduct against which all others are judged... But rarely has the comparison been as intense and persistent as during the 16 months since Mr. Trump took office — a comparison deployed by both sides in hopes of shaping the narrative of wrongdoing. What started out as an inquiry into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election has mushroomed into questions of perjury, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, abuse of power, illicit spying, hush money, tax fraud, money laundering and influence peddling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/u...a-inquiry.html
The creation of so called collusion out of thin air, lying to the FISA court to obtain a warrant and conspiring to take down an elected President. Yes, it really is worse than Watergate.
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:17 PM
 
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Not worse than Watergate- yet.
There is still more to revealed than has been disclosed. No one will know just how bad it is or not until the revelation comes. It looks like Mueller is rapidly nearing conclusion. But since he's side-passed several cases over to the Special Court of New York, a Virginia State court, and a D.C. metro court, there may be something that emerges from any of them, and they're not running on Mueller's schedule.

While there's nothing that forbids him keeping up his investigation after today, Sept. 1, the official campaign season has now begun, and there's a tacit agreement that Mueller will either suspend his investigation until after the election or release his report in the next week or two at most. He could do either, and he has said nothing about it.
I'd been channel-surfing today while watching McCain's funeral, and I caught a snippet from one of the channels to the effect of since Trump isn't on the ballot this year, Mueller is under no obligation to suspend his investigation or release a report before or after the usual grace period. I hadn't considered that before, but I suppose it could be a loophole?
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:21 PM
 
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Many have made the comparison, of course.


‘Bigger Than Watergate’? Both Sides Say Yes, but for Different Reasons.
By Peter Baker

Watergate has long been the touchstone for modern American scandal, the mountain of misconduct against which all others are judged... But rarely has the comparison been as intense and persistent as during the 16 months since Mr. Trump took office — a comparison deployed by both sides in hopes of shaping the narrative of wrongdoing. What started out as an inquiry into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election has mushroomed into questions of perjury, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, abuse of power, illicit spying, hush money, tax fraud, money laundering and influence peddling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/u...a-inquiry.html
The Obama's Spooks collusion with The Russians and the media to absolve Hillary and frame Trump is much worse than Watergate which was a minor event actually compared to our FBI involvement in spying on the Trump campaign.
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:23 PM
 
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This is worse than Watergate....corruption at the highest level of the FBI and CIA.


Watergate was a 3rd rate burglary and a President using his office to protect his people.....this is much worse.
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:29 PM
 
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Watergate was a two bit break in to see what the Dem strategy would be.

SpyGate is the opposition candidate Clinton paying a British agent (laundering the money through a law firm so it would be recorded as a legal expense) who worked for Fusion GPS, for a phony dossier obtained from Russians. Cost over a million, I think. The purpose was to justify spying on the Trump campaign by weaponizing American's intelligence services using fraudulent FISA warrants. The irony is -- that is what they do in Russia!

Dozens of top officials at the FBI and DoJ have been fired, demoted, resigned or will be in the near future. Their own emails and texts exposed them. The next IG Report which will be about the FISA warrants will be out next year. No comparison to Watergate by a mile! Spygate is much scarier.

If you watch elite media which censors their news, you can get the details in Gregg Jarrett's bestseller The Russian Hoax. Something like 150 pages of footnotes.

https://www.amazon.com/Russia-Hoax-I.../dp/0062872745
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:53 PM
 
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I'd been channel-surfing today while watching McCain's funeral, and I caught a snippet from one of the channels to the effect of since Trump isn't on the ballot this year, Mueller is under no obligation to suspend his investigation or release a report before or after the usual grace period. I hadn't considered that before, but I suppose it could be a loophole?
If Mueller doesn't release his report very soon, I expect he will suspend the investigation until after the election. And then fire it up again.

Mueller doesn't want his investigation to influence the election in any way. But since there's some slack here, he may go a week or two into the season before he suspends his committee.

He could re-convene it at any time, too; if there is something that is a real big deal, like a smoking gun statement that surfaces, he could kick his committee back into gear at any time he wants to pursue it. But it would have to be big for him to do it.

Mueller remembers Comey. He won't be another Comey.
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