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Old 09-02-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Macon, Georgia
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Team JASON.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/s...microwave.html
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:28 PM
 
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Sorry, what's Team Jason?

I saw the news. Very disturbing.
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Sorry, what's Team Jason?

I saw the news. Very disturbing.
From the article linked:

https://fas.org/irp/agency/dod/jason/
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:48 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Sorry, what's Team Jason?

I saw the news. Very disturbing.
From the OP's link:

Members of Jason, a secretive group of elite scientists that helps the federal government assess new threats to national security, say it has been scrutinizing the diplomatic mystery this summer and weighing possible explanations, including microwaves.

After reading the story in the NY Times, I agree that it's a very disturbing concept. Microwaved brains!? Yipes!
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Old 09-02-2018, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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I live in GZ and knew some of the diplomats affected - I live in the adjacent apartment complex no less. Not people that I would feel inclined to disbelieve. I figured it was probably due to something like the NYT article described. For that matter, my wife and I started experiencing headaches and my tinnitus started getting noticeably worse around the time this was happening, but before the story broke. We took a business trip out of town for a week and the problems dissipated, and returned when we came back. Since the story broke, we haven't had issues, but we have since relocated full-time anyways.

If you think about it, world powers have always had secret tools and weapons that they don't divulge to the public. Look at the still as-yet unidentified stealth helicopter that crashed in the Bin Laden raid... it's entirely plausible that governments have developed and deployed sonic weapons.

The bigger question to me is, why? Most of the people affected were midlevel staff who it wouldnt really make sense to harass or punish for tensions between the US. I am a legal resident and businessman whose financial foundation is in China and married to a Chinese woman, so it doesn't make much sense for them to target me - though I am a well-known figure in the provincial expat community. What would be gained by targeting me and my family?

If this is indeed what happened, I would suspect that it was a rogue element within the local PSB - possibly only a couple individuals even - who decided to take action against Americans as revenge for sanctions, etc, without the implicit permission of the central Government, who clamped down and stopped it once it came to light. Beijing has been pretty averse to causing tensions with the US in the grand scheme of things and again, I don't think that there's much they would gain from causing brain damage to American consular staffers... Certainly not, relative to the fallout. But, there definitely is, or was, something going on.

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Old 09-02-2018, 11:28 PM
 
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They withhold this kind of stuff from the public for good reason though, there are some things the public is better off NOT knowing about.

If you really want to be shocked check out 'The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951'. Still in effect today!!! This is why we are still driving cars with internal combustion engines/ wheels, still using fossil fuels, etc etc.
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Old 09-02-2018, 11:47 PM
 
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This is exactly why we need to be doing everything we can to educate our population. Things like this and hacking are harder to trace and prove. They are a hell of a lot cheaper than conventional weapons as well. I would rather buy one or two less fighter jets and use that money to develop a crap load of very talented hackers or forensic computer analysts.
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Old 09-05-2018, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Limbo
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Microwave dish parties are always fun, here's one in Costa Mesa, Ca.:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es75riu6Xnw
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Old 09-05-2018, 07:36 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Originally Posted by rstevens62 View Post
They withhold this kind of stuff from the public for good reason though, there are some things the public is better off NOT knowing about.

If you really want to be shocked check out 'The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951'. Still in effect today!!! This is why we are still driving cars with internal combustion engines/ wheels, still using fossil fuels, etc etc.


Based on what? Simply because inventions can be kept secret doesn't necessarily mean any of them are viable replacements for the internal combustion engine and/or fossil fuels.
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Old 09-05-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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I live in GZ and knew some of the diplomats affected - I live in the adjacent apartment complex no less. Not people that I would feel inclined to disbelieve. I figured it was probably due to something like the NYT article described. For that matter, my wife and I started experiencing headaches and my tinnitus started getting noticeably worse around the time this was happening, but before the story broke. We took a business trip out of town for a week and the problems dissipated, and returned when we came back. Since the story broke, we haven't had issues, but we have since relocated full-time anyways.

If you think about it, world powers have always had secret tools and weapons that they don't divulge to the public. Look at the still as-yet unidentified stealth helicopter that crashed in the Bin Laden raid... it's entirely plausible that governments have developed and deployed sonic weapons.

The bigger question to me is, why? Most of the people affected were midlevel staff who it wouldnt really make sense to harass or punish for tensions between the US. I am a legal resident and businessman whose financial foundation is in China and married to a Chinese woman, so it doesn't make much sense for them to target me - though I am a well-known figure in the provincial expat community. What would be gained by targeting me and my family?

If this is indeed what happened, I would suspect that it was a rogue element within the local PSB - possibly only a couple individuals even - who decided to take action against Americans as revenge for sanctions, etc, without the implicit permission of the central Government, who clamped down and stopped it once it came to light. Beijing has been pretty averse to causing tensions with the US in the grand scheme of things and again, I don't think that there's much they would gain from causing brain damage to American consular staffers... Certainly not, relative to the fallout. But, there definitely is, or was, something going on.
Appreciate you giving us your experience with it. I had wondered if it dissipated or left lingering damage, this is all a bit freaky.
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