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Old 09-07-2018, 01:04 AM
 
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While Gore was no dove, there were major differences between his foriegn policy and that of Dubya/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz.

1. Gore would have deferred to international consensus. If Cheney came to him with a report on Hussein's WMDs, Gore would have said, "Feel free to discuss it with the UN."

2. Gore would have continued the HW/Clinton policy of supporting anti-Hussein groups within Iraq instead of unilaterally invading Iraq. After all, Obama never invaded Libya or Syria.

3. Gore would be aware that invading Iraq would have side-effects. Cheney of all people warned about these side-effects in 1994. https://youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY&t=2s
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Old 09-07-2018, 01:11 AM
 
Location: NC
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was Gore President in some alternate timeline or something??
Isnt this the dufus that said he invented the Internet in 1993?
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Old 09-07-2018, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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While we'll never know with 100% certainty I agree with the OP. We know that Gore took a very public position AGAINST the war in Sept. 2002. He did this even as the drum beat for war was very loud in the shadow of 9/11, etc.

It is also worth noting he was one of the very few Democrats to vote FOR use of military force in 1991 to boot Iraq out of Kuwait. He bucked his own party in making that vote.

I think in BOTH cases he made the right decision. It is a shame Al "Bore" did not make it to the White House in 2001. He clearly would have been a much better President than Bush, Jr. The Iraq fiasco alone was such a disaster and really F&^d things up.

I jokingly say Al "Bore" because I believe that his pubic persona as being kind of stiff hurt him in the general election. While Bush was not the sharpest tool in the shed, in the modern age the person with the most personal appeal often gets the nod. George Bush was the guy "you'd want to have a beer with" and all that nonsense.
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Old 09-07-2018, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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We as Floridians did vote for him however Jeb Bush as our Governor had other plans for his brother and he "won" by 517 votes according to the USSC and they wouldn't let us do recounts.

Saddam Hussien was always a end goal for the Bushies with 9/11 being a perfect distraction and excuse to invade that country.
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Old 09-07-2018, 01:29 AM
 
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Regardless of whether they're hawks or doves, Republicans are nationalists and Democrats are internationalists. Dubya, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, being nationalists, believe in American Exceptionalism and the unilateral capabilities of the U.S. military. The Clintons, Gore, and Obama preferred to use the UN and NATO overseas. The UN and NATO wouldn't have been willing to invade Iraq even if Gore wanted them to, so he wouldn't have any means of carrying out a war.
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Old 09-07-2018, 01:39 AM
 
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We as Floridians did vote for him however Jeb Bush as our Governor had other plans for his brother and he "won" by 517 votes according to the USSC and they wouldn't let us do recounts.

Saddam Hussien was always a end goal for the Bushies with 9/11 being a perfect distraction and excuse to invade that country.

the US supreme court slapped down the florida supreme court because the florida court was rewriting election law to suit al gore and what he wanted to do. al gore was only forcing the recount in four counties, that were heavily democrat.


now for a reality check here, the votes had been counted, an recounted a number of times, before gore sued to get a liberal hand recount of the four counties in question. truth be told it was gore that was trying to steal the election not bush.


and by the way, gore would not have invaded iraq, but not because he wanted to let the UN do the job, but rather because he was very much like clinton and carter in that he had no backbone.
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Old 09-07-2018, 02:01 AM
 
Location: USA
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Regardless of whether they're hawks or doves, Republicans are nationalists and Democrats are internationalists. Dubya, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, being nationalists, believe in American Exceptionalism and the unilateral capabilities of the U.S. military. The Clintons, Gore, and Obama preferred to use the UN and NATO overseas. The UN and NATO wouldn't have been willing to invade Iraq even if Gore wanted them to, so he wouldn't have any means of carrying out a war.
Yeah, the peaceful UN. The organization that got us into Bosnia, Libya, and skrewed to pooch in Rwanda while a million civilians were hacked to death. Screw the UN.
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Old 09-07-2018, 02:16 AM
 
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Yeah, the peaceful UN. The organization that got us into Bosnia, Libya, and skrewed to pooch in Rwanda while a million civilians were hacked to death. Screw the UN.
The UN didn’t get us into Iraq though, and if we’d listened to several UN members instead of being so damn happy to be getting ourselves into a war, 4500 American troops would be alive today.

And really, why would you bring up Rwanda? You would’ve NEVER supported any US action to put an end to that genocide, and neither would any other Republican.
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Old 09-07-2018, 02:22 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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We as Floridians did vote for him however Jeb Bush as our Governor had other plans for his brother and he "won" by 517 votes according to the USSC and they wouldn't let us do recounts.
What? There were numerous hand recounts. Until, finally, the U.S. Supreme Court put an end to it because the Florida Supreme Court could not come up with a valid reason why the hand recounts were still going on (the fact that Gore lost every recount was not a valid reason!).

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Saddam Hussien was always a end goal for the Bushies with 9/11 being a perfect distraction and excuse to invade that country.
Probably because Saddam harbored, funded and supported terrorists.
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Old 09-07-2018, 02:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What? There were numerous hand recounts. Until, finally, the U.S. Supreme Court put an end to it because the Florida Supreme Court could not come up with a valid reason why the hand recounts were still going on (the fact that Gore lost every recount was not a valid reason!).



Probably because Saddam harbored, funded and supported terrorists.
More like Dubya saying "Saddam tried to kill my daddy".

Go research Dick Cheney and the Neo-Con plans (PNAC) to get rid of Saddam Hussien..."we will be greeted as liberators!"
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