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Old 09-15-2018, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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IC honestly seems like a big pharma shill at this point.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Houston
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IC honestly seems like a big pharma shill at this point.
I guarantee Medicare for all won’t hurt Big Pharm
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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But cancer has a far higher death rate than the flu.
Both can be fatal. Period. Hell, an allergic reaction can be fatal.

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If you actually read the thread, you'll see that I've said that $2 trillion PUBLIC health care spending, up from the current $1.6 trillion, is perfectly sensible
Not without a lot of cuts and health care rationing. Those of the working class, FORMERLY provided insurance by their employers, WON'T be happy about having to pay EXTRA for a reduction in the quality of their health care.

Again... answer the question... If you want national health care in the US, EVERYONE has to pay for it (parents pay their children's share), not just America's worker population via reduced wages due to exorbitant taxes on both employers and themselves. And parents are responsible for paying for their children's share. Want to be irresponsible and have 6 kids you cannot afford by 5 different baby daddies? Too bad. Pay up. WHY are YOU so quick to want to screw the working class on this instead of insisting that EVERYONE pay their share?
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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I guarantee Medicare for all won’t hurt Big Pharm
You can guarantee a lot of things with nothing to back it up with. America has the highest drug prices by a huge margin and the only developed country without a national health care system.

The reality is that big pharma and the insurance corporations are fighting tooth and nail against it and fund puppets in Congress to ensure they get their will. But I guess they do it because they want Medicare-for-all...
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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I guarantee Medicare for all won’t hurt Big Pharm
If anything that private/public revolving door will swing even faster and while its going on right now, they cant see it coming.
of course we all know how selfless indiviuals become once they get a govt ID badge and title.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You can guarantee a lot of things with nothing to back it up with. America has the highest drug prices by a huge margin and the only developed country without a national health care system.

The reality is that big pharma and the insurance corporations are fighting tooth and nail against it and fund puppets in Congress to ensure they get their will. But I guess they do it because they want Medicare-for-all...
If you can find a way that the working class doesn't get predominantly screwed to pay for it, have at it. So far, you've just suggested adding more of the costs onto workers and their employers. Suggest something else.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:45 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If anything that private/public revolving door will swing even faster and while its going on right now, they cant see it coming.
of course we all know how selfless indiviuals become once they get a govt ID badge and title.
How does PCALMike not understand that the reason WHY the Military Industrial Complex costs so much more than it should is BECAUSE the Fed Gov is the single payer for the defense goods services purchased from them? Duh.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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If you can find a way that the working class doesn't get predominantly screwed to pay for it, have at it. So far, you've just suggested adding more of the costs onto workers and their employers. Suggest something else.
More lies the wealthy and corporations would pay the majority just like how it is now.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:53 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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More lies the wealthy and corporations would pay the majority just like how it is now.
Mike wants to charge the working class an additional payroll tax, AND charge their employers an additional payroll tax. Now, because you don't understand economics, what you don't realize is that when the costs of employment increase, corporations subsequently reduce the employees' compensation. The result? It's the working class who has to pay extra to fund it.

It's just like the idiots who don't realize that charging corporate income tax is just a hidden tax on consumers. End users/consumers pay that. The corporations don't. Taxes are included as an expense in the "overhead" category in the products/services pricing formula.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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New poll shows that 52% of Republicans support a Medicare-for-all system.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...dicare-for-all

Is it time to admit that electing representatives that serve their corporate donors and owners at the expense of the ordinary everyday Americans has been a failure, and a new approach is needed?

Seems to me that more and more people are getting mad as hell at the oligarchy who control the puppets in Congress and a new New Deal agenda is needed to "save capitalism" from the excessive greed of Wall Street and big pharma.
You've described our system is a tee.

The Democratic Socialism movement springs directly from wanting the antithesis of what we have now, and is why the younger generation is embracing it. All they've known is this oligarchic corporate world running everything and seeing them benefit from from the system much more than the middle class.

https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what...tic-socialism/
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