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Old 09-24-2018, 07:43 PM
 
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These are the same folks who have absolute, unquestioning faith in "God", because their pastor/family/friends have told them that they just have to "believe" and "have faith", yet when proven science is shown to them, they disregard it as a "hoax".

Just another of hundreds of reasons that the Dumbing Down of America is deliberate, targeted, and highly effective.

Take a bow Republicans.
It wasn't that long ago that climate change wasn't a "political" topic. And for that matter, science itself.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:43 PM
 
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These are the same folks who have absolute, unquestioning faith in "God", because their pastor/family/friends have told them that they just have to "believe" and "have faith", yet when proven science is shown to them, they disregard it as a "hoax".

Just another of hundreds of reasons that the Dumbing Down of America is deliberate, targeted, and highly effective.

Take a bow Republicans.
Hahahaha. No republicans.



The bill became law under a Democrat governor and while Obama was President. Before you accuse the rest of America of being "dumbed down" you might want to make sure your own house is in order.
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Old 09-24-2018, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I accept that the Earth is getting warmer. It happens once every epoch or so. We are most certainly getting closer to the sun in our current orbital wobble. We also are doing a good job here on Earth of polluting the crap out of it. My suggestion is to buy a reliable air conditioner and ride out the next 10,000 years in comfort.
A wise man would research before posting....This from Cornell University.....There is an effect which is making us move very slowly away from the Sun. That is the tidal interaction between the Sun and the Earth. This slows down the rotation of the Sun, and pushes the Earth farther away from the Sun. It turns out that the yearly increase in the distance between the Earth and the Sun from this effect is only about one micrometer (a millionth of a meter).

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Old 09-24-2018, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Few people seem to understand this. One only has to look at what were considered "facts" over the past several hundred years to see that scientist were often incorrect.....REALLY INCORRECT. Remember the earth used to be flat!
Actually it was religion that made that claim, not science.
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Old 09-24-2018, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Would you say that the water is warmer now than it was 20 years ago?
Absolutely. https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicato...ce-temperature
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Old 09-24-2018, 08:13 PM
 
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Actually it was religion that made that claim, not science.

Hmm. No, that isn't true. Most of the ideas about the shape of the earth came from ancient philosophers in Greece, Egypt and China. These would have been considered the scientists of the day even thought they did not know the scientific method.

And ironically, the vast majority of the claims about mankind's influence over climate change is also not based on any sort of scientific method either.

Just like this topic. NC 20 is about insurance. It's not about climate change.
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Old 09-24-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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Whoever would have thought the stupid would politicize the weather.....the scam keeps growing.....
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Old 09-24-2018, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Hmm. No, that isn't true. Most of the ideas about the shape of the earth came from ancient philosophers in Greece, Egypt and China. These would have been considered the scientists of the day even thought they did not know the scientific method.

And ironically, the vast majority of the claims about mankind's influence over climate change is also not based on any sort of scientific method either.

Just like this topic. NC 20 is about insurance. It's not about climate change.
Perhaps, but the greatest influence in early times was religion...

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topi...ut-flat-earth/
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:21 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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You're referring to the Trump tribe. They are the ones who think science is something to be "believed" in. My guess is that they equate it with religion in some way. Doesn't surprise me at all that they would pass a law banning science. It's just like banning the devil to them.
Up until the Bible went public for all to read and interpret on their own accord, they, citizens had the clergy, interpret it for them, telling them, this or that of what it says ... and God would have you to do xyz ... the church held the power to collect taxes and wage wars ... and the people believed in the church, as they knew no other way to live.

Today the sciences are so different than that. Today's scientist are not biased in any way, nor do they adhere to those who fund their research.

If those two statements are true, then we can take the belief out of science and insert a knowing. I am of the understanding those two statements are false and one is subject to consider the source, before any one can know if what a science or its scientist says, is true.

However, banning science is equivalent of those that placed a ban on the public reading of the Bible. It is a way to control information, thus knowledge is power that threatens any government, by keeping the people uninformed of their environment around them.
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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NC-20 wasn't a law, it was a private group of business owners and government officials in the 20 coastal counties of NC who were lobbying to use a less doomsday-ish estimate of sea level rise by the year 2100, what virtually every study had found as "certain" (40cm) versus "likely" (100cm), as the basis for compliance with the various federal laws concerning development, insurance, etc according to FIRM standards that were evolving because of H.R. 3370 – Homeowner Flood Insurance Affordability Act.

It wasn't a denial of climate science via legislation. It was "use the least scary estimate as the basis for regulating actuarial rates because using the most scary estimates will add huge cost to development and insurance costs along the NC coast." The NC legislature agreed.

Nowhere do they deny sea level rise. They simply lobbied, successfully, to use "certain" estimates versus "likely" for regulating costs of building/development/etc in a flood plain zone.
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