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Old 09-30-2018, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Dylan Roof was a legal tax paying gun owner.
And?

There are millions of law abiding firearms owners who never have and never will commit a crime. You're trying to turn the exception into the rule.
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Old 09-30-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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1. Knives are not typically used for murder, mostly they're used as kitchen utensils.
2. Thank you for mentioning cars. In order to legally drive and purchase a car, you must have a driver's license. Sometimes the government even rescinds peoples' drivers licenses (DUI's, etc). So yes, the government *does* restrict access to cars, and I don't see many people complaining about that fact. In fact, as I said in another thread on this topic a few weeks ago, I think it would be great if the government set up some sort of gun licensing system to try to filter out bad gun owners from the good ones.
You can purchase a car without a driver's license. You can also drive one, just not on public roads.
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Considering that probably 99.99% of driving occurs on public roads, de facto, you need a driver's license to operate a vehicle.
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And?

There are millions of law abiding firearms owners who never have and never will commit a crime. You're trying to turn the exception into the rule.
Well how do you develop a law that just restricts the guilty or should we just ignore them.
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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“Within 5 days knew or reasonably should have knownâ€. If there were no signs of a break in it’s perfectly reasonable not to know within 5 days.
Thank you. This thing is full of holes, "Gotcha holes".
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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The only thing that is "advanced" in Kalifornia and New Pork is tyranny.

With your absolutely ridiculous definition, granddads Remington Model 1100 shotgun is an assault weapon (a shotgun that is/was popular with trap shooting and hunting).

It's interesting that so many on the left are perfectly happy to have legislation passed concerning matters about which they know absolutely nothing--by their own admission. What an absolutely dangerous and stupid way to live. Pelosi summed it up pretty well some years ago: we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it. Such a mindset is utterly incomprehensible, unconscionable, pathetic, and imbecilic. If it were only you and your kind that would be hanged by your mindset, I'd say go for it. Hang yourself. That should be your right. But no, you want to hang the rest of us. No thanks.

If you can't even identify what you think an "assault weapon" is, you have no business dictating its possession or use. You people just keep on giving the rest of us reasons to stock up on "assault weapons." By your above definition, this hunting rifle from 1905 / 1911 (the Model 8) would be an "assault weapon":


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_8



Only an idiot would call any semi-auto firearm an assault weapon--which makes sense, because that's exactly who is coming up with this bilge (these ludicrous "definitions"): idiots.
To define "assault weapon" as "any semi-automatic weapon," as this law does, greatly simplifies things. There has been great confusion surrounding "assault weapon." There is a video floating around where a Fox News pundit asks congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy what a 'barrel shroud,' (part of her assault weapon legislation) is. She didn't know. Most of us are not gun experts. This would greatly simplify things. Police could google for the specifications of any firearm, and instantly know that it is an illegal assault-style weapon.
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Well how do you develop a law that just restricts the guilty or should we just ignore them.
We have a plethora of laws which address committing violent acts on other people. When someone breaks those laws, we punish them for it - as we rightly should. What we shouldn't do is turn every law abiding firearm owner into a criminal because 0.001% of people who obtain a firearm semi-legally (Roof actually should not have been able to purchase due to a narcotics conviction) are mentally skewed.

What you and other gun grabbers seem to want is a law that will guarantee your safety. Such a law does not, never has, and never will exist. If you want guaranteed safety, stay home and cover yourself in bubble wrap. Even that won't make you 100% safe, but you might feel safer. There are millions of ways that you can be injured or killed, and being shot is one of the least likely. This is why I will never believe anyone who claims that restricting the right to own firearms is about safety. If safety were the real concern, their focus would be on baseball bats and hammers - both of which are used in more homicides per year than so-called "assault weapons."
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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To define "assault weapon" as "any semi-automatic weapon," as this law does, greatly simplifies things. There has been great confusion surrounding "assault weapon." There is a video floating around where a Fox News pundit asks congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy what a 'barrel shroud,' (part of her assault weapon legislation) is. She didn't know. Most of us are not gun experts. This would greatly simplify things. Police could google for the specifications of any firearm, and instantly know that it is an illegal assault-style weapon.

She is actually a great example of the long term willfull ignorance of many (if not most) strident anti- gun/2nd amendment types.

Carolyn McCarthy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_McCarthy


She ran for congress for one reason alone, gun control. It was her primary purpose for doing so. Yet from 1997 to 2015, she never educated herself on guns, how they work, common nomenclature related to guns, and how they are even used.

Her legislation included banning barrel shrouds. That is simply a part that is designed to stand off heat from the sportsmans hands. Willfull ignorance. She didnt know, and she was not a gun expert, but she should have been an expert.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=9rGpykAX1fo


She sure tried to dodge that direct question, multiple times.

The "simplicity" you are so keen on, because you are too ignorant to demand that legislators actually be well informed on what they are writing laws on, wraps up a huge amount of legal firearms owned by law abiding Americans now.

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Old 09-30-2018, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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She is actually a great example of the long term willfull ignorance of many (if not most) strident anti- gun/2nd amendment types.

Carolyn McCarthy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_McCarthy


She ran for congress for one reason alone, gun control. It was her primary purpose for doing so. Yet from 1997 to 2015, she never educated herself on guns, how they work, common nomenclature related to guns, and how they are even used.

Her legislation included banning barrel shrouds. That is simply a part that is designed to stand off heat from the sportsmans hands. Willfull ignorance. She didnt know, and she was not a gun expert, but she should have been an expert.




She sure tried to dodge that direct question, multiple times.

The "simplicity" you are so keen on, because you are too ignorant to demand that legislators actually be well informed on what they are writing laws on, wraps up a huge amount of legal firearms owned by law abiding Americans now.
All of this may be on point, but it does not negate the fact that we still need to enact common-sense gun legislation. Other efforts to define 'assault weapon' have failed, in part I think due to the complexity of these high-tech-style weapons.

When the 1994 assault weapon ban(AWB) was passed, it was reported that many gun makers simply slightly changed their designs to comply, and the mass slaughters went on. IIRC Columbine was carried out with AWB compliant weapons.

Something clearly needs to be done. What is your suggestion?
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Old 09-30-2018, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Your link shows nothing.

The people on the eastern side of your state do not agree with you though.
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It has often been said that in a state-wide election in WA, all the votes you need to win can be seen from the top of the Space Needle (located in downtown Seattle).

The rednecks of various types who live in the sparsely-populated eastern sections of Washington, Oregon and California, play only a minor role in deciding any statewide issues. But it was not that way in the past. The majorities of their populations were very conservative, before the enlightenment of the Fifties and Sixties took place. Maybe, if we survive as a nation, in another century, those in flyover territory will have progressed into the era of modern civilization that is essential for the survival of a whole, crowded planet. If we don't lead the way in this, who on earth will?

The several groupings of blue states around the country are like oases in a harsh desert. Whether they expand or wither, will tell the story of the coming fate of the world. The sensible restriction against assault weapons in Washington will spread to other places and how pitifully weak the loud-mouthed gun advocates really are, will be revealed. Poor folks, the symbolic power they draw from their personal arsenals of weapons, will have a limitation. Not really a large limitation, they'll still have most of their guns, but just the concept of that and the liberals they see behind it, is what is so difficult for them to tolerate.
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