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Old 10-17-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
It seems as if the anti-Trump people won't be happy until we are involved in yet another war in the Middle East.
Why do the Trump apologists see only a binary choice with this; either cower in a corner and protect Trump's personal financial interests with the Saudis or full blown war in the middle east? When did righties with all their guns and tough rhetoric become enslaved to a leader who throws them under the bus for personal gain?
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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That’s quite an imagination. The Saudis have been engaging in international terrorism for decades. Technology and surveillance is better now. They were also probably betting that Turkey would look the other way. Bottom line is that this time they just got caught. That’s what happens when you live a philosophy of doing terrible things. You get away with it for a while but eventually you get caught.

A sniper could have taken the guy out anywhere in the world. Instead, it happened in the Saudi consulate in Turkey. This was brazen.

Whomever/ whatever is responsible, intended for this to become an international incident. Who has something to gain from it?
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Obama had a personal conflict with Iran ($600M dropped) and Israel.

You really think we've had a recent President w/o a personal bias financially or religiously towards a country?


Some people really need to get a life and stop being influenced & dominated by the media or their political party.


FWIW, I am independent since Dems lost their minds and Repubs are always about business first.
What personal conflict was that?

It was Iran’s money.
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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It seems as if the anti-Trump people won't be happy until we are involved in yet another war in the Middle East.
It seems Trump is acting as the water boy for the Saudi rulers which, in fact, could land us in the mother of all middle east wars! We need Trump and his conflict of interest out of office!

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Saudi Arabia Wants to Fight Iran to the Last American

Saudi Arabia provided the seed money for Al Qaeda and openly funded and armedAl Qaeda in Syria (Jabhat al-Nusra), according to the U.S. government.
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Both Tel Aviv and Riyadh viewed Washington’s reorientation towards Asia with concern. They feared it would weaken Washington’s commitment to their security while also potentially making the United States more inclined to reach an accommodation with Iran. Those fears rose dramatically as Obama resisted the Saudi and Israeli push to bomb Iran, and instead opted for diplomacy.
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Saudi Arabia’s only prospect of balancing Iran today remains the same as it was ten years ago: by dragging the United States back into the region militarily.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-ara...011300035.html
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Obama would be instituting sanctions. He had no love for the Saudis.

And just to set the record straight, the victim was a permanent resident of the US, resided here and worked for a US company. His 'native country' as you keep referring to it is Saudi Arabia. They are the ones who killed and tortured him--got that? So his 'native country' - the perpetrator - is not going to do anything about it other than lie.

Trump, Jared and Jr. are all tied to MBS and Saudi Arabia financially. He has a MAJOR conflict of interest.

But, it does not matter, because this time the Congress will override Trump and do something. If Trump continues to try to protect and provide cover for the alleged murderer MBS, he's going to look like a mercenary traitor.
No need to speculate what Obama or anyone else might have done.

Now if Cheney were still around..... maybe the US could use this incident to invade Iran.
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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Why do the Trump apologists see only a binary choice with this; either cower in a corner and protect Trump's personal financial interests with the Saudis or full blown war in the middle east? When did righties with all their guns and tough rhetoric become enslaved to a leader who throws them under the bus for personal gain?

^^^^ another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.



and you want to do what? dump Saudi because of 1 person so they go to the arms of China or Russia and then what?
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I would be on the same page as you, but I did see a very angry Rubio and Graham all over the news about it. They responded swiftly and loudly. I think they will stand up to Trump on this if MBS is guilty. They must have a ton of repressed anger at Trump after all that ass kissing they have to do for the party and perhaps will be unleashed. Or maybe you are right, and they'll act like the cowards they've been for the last two years.

If they back down, they will not only look weak and ineffective. They will lose a lot of credibility.

https://www.businessinsider.com/marc...sponse-2018-10

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...a-over-missing
MBS is conducting the investigation.

What’s the likelihood it will conclude MBS is responsible ?
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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Perhaps you can prove that and it is true. I really dont know. What I do know is that journalist isn't worth putting our troops at risk over. Let his native country do something about it if they feel so strongly about it.
Which country do you think is his native country? The country that sent an assassin team and murdered him?
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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^^^^ another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.



and you want to do what? dump Saudi because of 1 person so they go to the arms of China or Russia and then what?
My post was not an example of "Trump Derangement Syndrome" but of the derangement syndrome of Trump followers.
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Old 10-17-2018, 03:17 PM
 
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38 pages in this thread - 12 days and STILL not a single piece of Evidence of anything at all.
Perhaps Secretary Pompeo can get these Turks to show him the Evidence.

Few people had ever heard of Khashoggi, who is a Saudi Citizen -- isn't it interesting that there is all this American Hair on Fire about a person nobody ever heard of, a person who isn't even a US Citizen, a person whose disappearance is about to break up alliances between important Nations and could actually start wars over it.

I wonder WHY. I also have to ask -- WHO gains from all this? Who is promoting this story and WHO are the allies of those promoting this story??

Good News is ...... Pompeo knows what he is doing. He's not just the US Secretary of State, he was also the US Director of the CIA.
One report said that Turkey didn't let Pompeo listen or see the tapes. I don't know how the reporter would know, so that may be BS. I guarantee our CIA and maybe the FBI is over there. This doesn't necessarily make me feel better about it.
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