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Old 11-09-2018, 06:11 AM
 
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It seems to you that a sane person would shoot at the cops?

This case, IMHO, was ABSOLUTELY justified. The cops were ABSOLUTELY justified in trying to take his guns.

Maybe that would be a good litmus test as to whether someone should own guns.

Cops come up, in broad daylight, and say they've had a report you're not fit to own guns. If you respond by shooting them, you get your guns taken away.

Perfect system.

(The cops did have a court order, which isn't just a report from the sister in law. Requires more proof).
I dont care if police have a court order or not...if they are attempting to do something that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, shooting at them would be the logical and appropriate thing to do imo, it may sound crazy or bizarre, but that is what patriotism is and what it requires from time to time.
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:16 AM
 
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And if people believe state agents (police, troops) won't dutifully carry out the work of tyrants against their fellow countrymen, let this be a lesson
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:22 AM
 
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And if people believe state agents (police, troops) won't dutifully carry out the work of tyrants against their fellow countrymen, let this be a lesson
Yes

Ive said it before...there is a very fine line between patriotism and terrorism (especially domestic terrorism).
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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How many times have people on this forum commented that if people simply obeyed the police--no problem?

Doesn't matter why they are questioning you. Just do what they say right?

Isn't this the authoritarian advice strongly advocated by many on the forum to all those people who have been shot by the police?

Cooperate with the police. Don't shoot at them. Easy.
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Determined by who? Some anonymous "tip"? Some Americans, clearly not liberals, still believe in due process and following the Constitution.
Maybe you should look up the actual process involved. It wasn't simply some anonymous tip called in.
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Old 11-09-2018, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Actually a few months ago that shooter had interaction with the police and one of their experts determined that he wasn't a threat to himself or others. Were they correct in their decision? Obviously not. So there is a chance that is just as good a chance that the decision to remove someone's guns is incorrect as well.
In April, neighbors called the Police after hearing loud noises in the house. The shooter was described as acting irrationallly. the Thousand Oaks shooter was evaluated and determined not to be a danger to himself or others, at that point in time. No one has a crystal ball.

Reportedly he bought the gun after that. ( This may or may not be correct) No one knows why. Absolutely no reason to have denied his right to do so according to federal/ state laws. And yet, something was brewing inside him.

Reportedly, his mother feared him and for him. Was she aware he owned a gun?
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Old 11-09-2018, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yes. That's the cost of living in such a free country.

Lanza had to kill his own mother to get the keys to the gun safe. He was known to be dangerous and obsessed with school shootings. The guns should have stayed and he should have been removed from the home.

Curious about your last sentence. If our thought process is non existent then how would we know it?
He killed his mother with one of her guns, not to access her guns. He then drove her car to the school.

Obviously his mother was in denial, given the arsenal in her home. Reportedly, she was not allowed in his space.

It’s very challenging to have a court rule on mental deficiency especially with no history of being dangerous.
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Old 11-09-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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This law will be struck down in time.
In quick time. Aside from the glaring constitutional issues, which will turn the primary local support base of cops against them, $60k per year cops aren't going to do this day in and day out. The risk to their lives is too above and beyond, and unnecessary. This time a citizen was killed. Its only time before it goes the other way.

I'd wager, given enough time, they'll have fairly reliable percentages in regard to how often his leads to death and how often it is of a cop or citizen. No cop is going to roll that dice day in and out.

This law is so bad that those who put it into play should start praying that they aren't held accountable after the toll becomes high enough.
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Old 11-09-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Well in this case, he allegedly initially put his gun down then picked it up again and fired once told they were there to confiscate it.

I mean, if you fire at police they will fire back. Sane, non criminal people tend to know that and regulate their behavior accordingly.

Exactly. And here I thought 2nd Amendment proponents supported the police being able to defend themselves.
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Old 11-09-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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Another good guy with a gun...until he’s not.

All you gunnuters were peeved at Adam Lanzas mother because of what she did or did not do, but now you think it would have been wrong for her to get the cops to take the guns.

You’re thought process is non existent you know that, right?
No, yours is. You're going to paint citizens with the brush of future mass shooters, or in other words, with an accusation of pre-crime, and begin revoking rights?

You do know how this can be expanded, right?

Put the bong down, cheech.
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