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Old 12-07-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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Click bait is all it is. When their leader is falling further every day, they are becoming increasingly desperate for any shred of anything.
Obama Administration Awarded Contracts Worth Over $310 Million for Legal Representation of Unaccompanied Alien Minors | IRLI - Home




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WASHINGTON - An investigation by the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI) has revealed that the Obama-era U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), in apparent violation of federal immigration law, awarded multiple high-value contracts, worth over $310 million, to a single nonprofit group in 2015 and 2016.

 
Old 12-07-2018, 10:33 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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So, I clicked on your link to a highly partisan, right winger propaganda site and followed THEIR link to the actual federal law (emphasis my own):

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On December 23, 2008, the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization
Act of 2008 (TVPRA) was passed. The law modified and expanded HHS' role in the care of UC.
Relevant to this Statement of Work, section 235(c)(5) of the (TVPRA), 8 U.S.C. § 1232(c)(5)
states, “[t]he Secretary of Health and Human Services shall ensure, to the greatest extent
practicable
and consistent with section 292 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C.
1362), that all unaccompanied alien children [UC] who are or have been in the custody of the
Secretary [of HHS] or the Secretary of Homeland Security... have counsel to represent them in
legal proceedings…
To the greatest extent practicable, the Secretary of Health and Human
Services shall make every effort to utilize the services of pro bono counsel who agree to provide
representation to such children without charge.”

UC are particularly vulnerable, having faced traumatic situations in their home countries, such as
dire poverty, war, forced military or gang recruitment, human trafficking, domestic violence,
abuse, familial separation and government neglect. Some are also very young, most have little or
no formal education, and are primarily non-English speaking. After apprehension by the
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and transfer to ORR, these children face a complicated
legal system.
1) So, the Obama administration was following the law - not breaking it.

2) Something that is posted all over the Internet is hardly a secret. Even I tracked the appropriate citation in 3 minutes - your 6 year-old could probably Google it in 2 minutes. Even the idiots on your propaganda site found it and were stupid enough to give the link to the law which destroys any credibility their fear mongering story might have had.

3) You are now in the running for the Grinch of the year award. This is about little kids separated from their parents and fleeing horrors that we can barely imagine. These children have to go before an immigration court and the outcome may be the difference between being sent back to human traffickers or end up forced into the military or the gangs to be child soldiers. The law also says very plainly PRO BONO - that means for free. If there's any doubt, the next sentence is counsel who agree to provide
representation to such children without charge
.

4) I have no idea whether George Soros supports the non-profits who provide help to these little kids or not. But it doesn't matter since you can't have it both ways. If George Soros donated $130 million to this program, then the taxpayers are out nothing., and old George sure won't miss it.

You conservatives love to whine about the so-called "War on Christmas." Well, I guess you would know. Leave it to the repubs to start attacking little kids in desperate situations and complaining that a child seperated from her family gets a PRO BONO lawyer for the immigration hearings. It is Christmas time, after all. Good thing you guys love coal so much because I suspect that's all Santa will leave in your stockings.
 
Old 12-07-2018, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Those contracts are ongoing and the majority of the spending will be by the Trump administration.

So it is the Trump administration that you are claiming is spending illegally?
 
Old 12-07-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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Those contracts are ongoing and the majority of the spending will be by the Trump administration.

So it is the Trump administration that you are claiming is spending illegally?


If they are still doing it then yes, they are...not sure what your point is?


It's against the law, Obama started it and trump should end it....


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Sec. 292. [8 U.S.C. 1362] In any removal proceedings before an immigration judge and in any appeal proceedings before the Attorney General from any such removal proceedings, the person concerned shall have the privilege of being represented (at no expense to the Government) by such counsel, authorized to practice in such proceedings, as he shall choose.


 
Old 12-07-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
So, I clicked on your link to a highly partisan, right winger propaganda site and followed THEIR link to the actual federal law (emphasis my own):



1) So, the Obama administration was following the law - not breaking it.

2) Something that is posted all over the Internet is hardly a secret. Even I tracked the appropriate citation in 3 minutes - your 6 year-old could probably Google it in 2 minutes. Even the idiots on your propaganda site found it and were stupid enough to give the link to the law which destroys any credibility their fear mongering story might have had.

3) You are now in the running for the Grinch of the year award. This is about little kids separated from their parents and fleeing horrors that we can barely imagine. These children have to go before an immigration court and the outcome may be the difference between being sent back to human traffickers or end up forced into the military or the gangs to be child soldiers. The law also says very plainly PRO BONO - that means for free. If there's any doubt, the next sentence is counsel who agree to provide
representation to such children without charge.

4) I have no idea whether George Soros supports the non-profits who provide help to these little kids or not. But it doesn't matter since you can't have it both ways. If George Soros donated $130 million to this program, then the taxpayers are out nothing., and old George sure won't miss it.

You conservatives love to whine about the so-called "War on Christmas." Well, I guess you would know. Leave it to the repubs to start attacking little kids in desperate situations and complaining that a child seperated from her family gets a PRO BONO lawyer for the immigration hearings. It is Christmas time, after all. Good thing you guys love coal so much because I suspect that's all Santa will leave in your stockings.

Not sure what you are looking at or where you got it, but here is the section of law they are talking about:


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Sec. 292. [8 U.S.C. 1362] In any removal proceedings before an immigration judge and in any appeal proceedings before the Attorney General from any such removal proceedings, the person concerned shall have the privilege of being represented (at no expense to the Government) by such counsel, authorized to practice in such proceedings, as he shall choose.

Obama Administration Awarded Contracts Worth Over $310 Million for Legal Representation of Unaccompanied Alien Minors | IRLI - Home


^^^This is the article....
 
Old 12-07-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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That's it! I'm never going to vote for Obama to be president now!
 
Old 12-07-2018, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Originally Posted by chucksnee View Post
If they are still doing it then yes, they are...not sure what your point is?


It's against the law, Obama started it and trump should end it....






Actually not at all clear that it is against the law. Appears to be one of those situations where law and court rulings conflict.

But if there is anything illegal going on it is by the Trump administration which still has 78 million in unspent funds remaining in those contracts.

So it would appear that you are simply trying to denigrate Obama - not fix a government error as that would require you to be critical of the Trump administration.

So sounds like more right wing BS.
 
Old 12-07-2018, 10:54 AM
 
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Actually not at all clear that it is against the law. Appears to be one of those situations where law and court rulings conflict.

But if there is anything illegal going on it is by the Trump administration which still has 78 million in unspent funds remaining in those contracts.

So it would appear that you are simply trying to denigrate Obama - not fix a government error as that would require you to be critical of the Trump administration.

So sounds like more right wing BS.

Yes, it is very clear...


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Sec. 292. [8 U.S.C. 1362] In any removal proceedings before an immigration judge and in any appeal proceedings before the Attorney General from any such removal proceedings, the person concerned shall have the privilege of being represented (at no expense to the Government) by such counsel, authorized to practice in such proceedings, as he shall choose.



If the trump admin is still doing it they are wrong also....sounds like you don't care that Obama started it and just want to blame trump and only trump...


So, sounds like more left wing BS.
 
Old 12-07-2018, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Obama Administration Awarded Contracts Worth Over $310 Million for Legal Representation of Unaccompanied Alien Minors | IRLI - Home

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An investigation by the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI) has revealed that the Obama-era U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), in apparent violation of federal immigration law, awarded multiple high-value contracts, worth over $310 million, to a single nonprofit group in 2015 and 2016.

The funds went to the Vera Institute of Justice (Vera), a nonprofit group that provides immigrants with access to legal services. (One of Vera’s former directors, Christopher Stone, also served as president of George Soros’ Open Society Foundations from 2012-2017.) The contracts require Vera to provide “direct legal representation” to UACs, recruit and train pro bono attorneys, and facilitate continued legal representation once a UAC is released to a sponsor – frequently an illegal alien. So far, the federal grants have paid for legal representation of UACs in removal proceedings and removal appeals throughout the nation.

The Immigration and Nationality Act, Section 292, states that aliens in removal proceedings “shall have the privilege of being represented (at no expense to the Government).” Immigrant special interest groups, sometimes on behalf of unaccompanied minors, have tried since 1996 to challenge this section, claiming it violates aliens’ rights. Federal courts have always rejected these claims.

Even though the use of federal funds to provide direct representation to UACs appears to violate federal law, the Obama administration continued to provide funding to Vera for these illegal aliens, knowing that taxpayers would face significant hurdles if they attempted to sue the federal government to halt the payments.
That's not "click bait".
 
Old 12-07-2018, 11:03 AM
 
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https://www.chicksonright.com/youngc...H8Uqo0Z_WStKdU


"The Obama administration approved $310 million in free legal advice to young illegal immigrants despite federal law barring charging taxpayers for helping immigrants avoid deportation, according to a new report.
The Immigration Reform Law Institute said that the funding was provided to a top legal defense group to help unaccompanied alien children under the age of 18 land with a sponsor in the U.S.
In 2015 and 2016, contracts reviewed by IRLI showed that several worth $310 million went to one nonprofit legal group, the Vera Institute of Justice. A top director has ties to liberal philanthropist George Soros."



So don't expect for us to get out of debt soon----no way with this going on. Thanks Obama.
Yeah, the debt has nothing to do with Trump, lol.
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