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In terms of defence we could tear up the Lancaster House Defence and Security Agreements with the French, could withdraw from the Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) an agreement and commitment we have to defend Scandinavia, and there are numerous other such Defence and Security arrangements, we could remove British troops and RAF Fighters rom Estonia and Poland, and could even like the French once did in the 1960's, leave NATO's command structure or we could even suspend our membership. There's no reason for us to go out of our way for Europe under such circumstances, indeed we could make defence pacts based on Five Eyes and CANZUK and let the Europeans go their own way.
Oh, yes indeed.
Going your own way without allies worked our so well for the UK in the past.
UK citizens have all sorts of perfectly good reasons -- sovereignty, immigration, ... to leave the EU.
But it claim that there won't be an economic price to pay is disingenuous.
You might also want to take in to account that most of our trade outside of the EU is very frictionless, indeed giant container ships come from the Far East, America and from across the world every hour of the day.
Technology and systes mean these containers are on the back of lorries and off to their destinations without any hold up whatsoever.
56% of our trade doesn't even involve Europe, and is done in a very frictionless manner. You go in to a British Supermarket and ypu see products from across the world, even a chicken sandwich from Tesco has chicken from Thailand in it, and there are products than come in on containers from every possible location.
I have cited the actual law which states the EU can not descriminate against any goods and must treat British exports/imports the same as any other WTO member, and that includes the $501 Billion the US exports to Europe every year under WTO rules, which is largely frictionless trade.
Whilst a lot of alliances we have with Europe go well beyond NATO, and have you forgotten that the French themselves left NATO in the 60's and closed all US bases in France. Also staying out of European affairs has always been sensibe, as it was pacts with European countries that often led us in to wars.
In terms of UK Defence, our main priority should be the GIUK Gap and Atlantic Approaches rather than Europe's Central Front, we would also seek a force in the Mediterranean and would place more emphasis on our navy, in order to secure the country and to protect global trade links.
There's also nothing stopping the UK from making new defence deals based on CANZUK or based on Five eyes.
Don't think for a minute that if the EU tries anything untoward that there won't be calls for us to review other arrangements and commitments with them.
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You might also want to take in to account that most of our trade outside of the EU is very frictionless, indeed giant container ships come from the Far East, America and from across the world every hour of the day.
Technology and systes mean these containers are on the back of lorries and off to their destinations without any hold up whatsoever.
56% of our trade doesn't even involve Europe, and is done in a very frictionless manner. You go in to a British Supermarket and ypu see products from across the world, even a chicken sandwich from Tesco has chicken from Thailand in it, and there are products than come in on containers from every possible location.
I have cited the actual law which states the EU can not descriminate against any goods and must treat British exports/imports the same as any other WTO member, and that includes the $501 Billion the US exports to Europe every year under WTO rules, which is largely frictionless trade.
You need to examine the laws on frictionless trade, and the reality of ow it works, what part of trade being treat the same as all other non EU trade in to the EU.
Does such trade hinder the US which exports $501 Billion in to the EU under WTO rules or China or any other part of the world.
If you can trade in such a way over oceans then you can across a channel, and the WTO has rules and regulations in place.
All this scare monering is nonsense, and whilst a free trade deal was always the preferred option that is a matter for the EU and it's 27 members. What Britain needs to concentrate on is it's national interest and new trade deals and defece pacts with other countries, starting with Canzuk and other allies.
I don't follow you. Are you saying that you've interviewed the Metropolitan police and come to the opposite conclusion? Have British police denied being concerned about protests getting violent? Whether these hypothetical protests are about "Brexit Betrayal" or the price of dog food is irrelevant, violence is violence.
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I don't follow you. Are you saying that you've interviewed the Metropolitan police and come to the opposite conclusion? Have British police denied being concerned about protests getting violent? Whether these hypothetical protests are about "Brexit Betrayal" or the price of dog food is irrelevant, violence is violence.
What Im saying- The media (globalists) villifies one side, sides with other. “Far right militants” vs “anti-racists”.
I promise next time to take a deep breath and make myself more clear.
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