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Old 12-21-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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There are people that have assured me that once your worth is in the billions, you do not need to bribe others since you have plenty of dough, Im looking at Trump supporters that said that.
A green energy bill was introduced by some (D)'s and was tossed aside by Pelosi. I am told that Pelosi has to be speaker because she knows how to raise money.
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Old 12-21-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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Where does it say in the Constitution that bribery is a form of free speech? Has any other developed country besides the US legalized and enshrined this kind of corruption into their Constitution?

Is it really a form of free speech? Or is the SCOTUS, who has ruled it to be such, just as corrupt as all the other branches of government?

No, it is not. This article explain it better than I could.
In the abstract, spending money can be considered a form of speech in the same way that throwing a brick through a window can be considered a form of speech. The issue is a question of balance. Nobody believes in protecting the right of the brick thrower to “speak” by committing an act of violence over the right of the window owner to be secure from destructive acts. The problem is that the Supreme Court neither understands nor cares that extreme wealth in politics is a form of violence against our democracy, corrupting the very foundation of one person, one voice, one vote. The Court always understands abstract concepts that empower corporations and wealthy politicians, but rarely understands abstract concepts that empower individuals and protect democracy.
How Spending Money Became a Form of Speech - The Amendment Gazette
Here is just a taste, a small example of what happens everyday in Washington:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe1d32I_wUY
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Old 12-21-2018, 03:25 PM
 
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What? You need to clean your ears. What is being said is that once you have amassed a fortune you can't be bought. Meaning YOU can't be bribed not bribe others.
And yet the Trump admin has more lobbyists than any previous administration.
Looks like he is paying them back.
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Old 12-21-2018, 05:49 PM
 
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Giving money to politicians is not free speech. So do people with more money have more free speech?
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:05 PM
 
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Giving money to politicians is not free speech. So do people with more money have more free speech?
Using that reasoning, any of the talking heads on television has more free speech than the rest of the 325 million people. Should they be banned from speaking on politics also or should each and every person get equal air time?
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:08 PM
 
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Where does it say in the Constitution that bribery is a form of free speech? Has any other developed country besides the US legalized and enshrined this kind of corruption into their Constitution?

Is it really a form of free speech? Or is the SCOTUS, who has ruled it to be such, just as corrupt as all the other branches of government?
Thank Citizens United (against a moral America).
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:15 PM
 
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Thank Citizens United (against a moral America).
Citizen United was joined by groups as diverse as the NRA, NARAL and the ACLU.
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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Tell me, how has it swayed your vote?
Did I say my vote was swayed?
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Old 12-22-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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Where does it say in the Constitution that bribery is a form of free speech? Has any other developed country besides the US legalized and enshrined this kind of corruption into their Constitution?

Is it really a form of free speech? Or is the SCOTUS, who has ruled it to be such, just as corrupt as all the other branches of government?
What’s the difference between working for a campaign and giving the campaign money?
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Old 12-22-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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When money is given to a politician or government office in exchange that they represent a special interest group or corporation, I see that as, practically speaking, judicial and corporate corruptions or something close to them.
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