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Old 02-10-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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While Venezuela has slid into an economic and political cataclysm under authoritarian President Nicolas Maduro, the political right-wing in the United States has consistently used the example of the country’s failed economy as a reason why leftist politics should be dismissed altogether. What they’re missing is that Maduro’s authoritarianism isn’t just contrary to the economic egalitarianism established by his predecessor Hugo Chavez, the corruption, greed, and elitism of the democratically elected government is directly at odds with everything socialism represents and everything the people of Venezuela long for.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...socialism.html
So stop spreading the excrement around because anyone with any brains whatsoever has realized that the right wing talking point has zero to do with reality. Trump, the lord of the flies and lies and standard bearer of the right is enough proof of how low the party has sunk and their disdain for truth.

A corrupt petrol state à la Russia style is the bottom line of Venezuela's troubles.

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Old 02-10-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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So stop spreading the excrement around because anyone with any brains whatsoever has realized that the right wing talking point has zero to do with reality. Trump, the lord of the flies and lies and standard bearer of the right is enough proof of how low the party has sunk and their disdain for truth.
hahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahaha.

The OPs link is from "pastemagazine" which is evidently what the authors have been eating for some time.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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Default What's the Matter with Venezuela?: It's Not Socialism, It's Corruption

Someone needs to reread 'Animal Farm'.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:35 AM
 
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That is the problem with socialism. Its so easily corrupted and often leads to a dictator.

That's one of the reasons the US republic style of gov. with separations of power is so much better than anything socialism can offer.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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The OPs link is from "pastemagazine" which is evidently what the authors have been eating for some time.
Not to mention most of the socialist Democrats in his country that think socialism is a good idea.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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Someone needs to reread 'Animal Farm'.
Or read it for the first time. I have my doubts they would understand it.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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Animal Farm, 1984...all this stuff relates to human nature in ANY large group.

Now, if one wants a glance into the possible excesses of US Capitalism, read "The Jungle". That will tell you all you need to know.

Oil and resource heavy countries seem to almost equate perfectly with repressive and corrupt governments. It even could be said that in the USA our system was/is corrupted by the manufactured Right Wing, a product of the Texas and other oil billionaires (John Birch Society, Kochs, Hunts and many more).

Diverse economies do better - but corruption is always an issue.

If we, in the USA, look at corruption as:
1. Basic graft, nepotism and bribes of government officials and contracts
2. Lobbying (in many cases).
3. The allowance of the "double the price for less" health care systems.
4. Our overblown Security State

That alone covers TRILLIONS of dollars and a very large percentage of our "government" money.

In short, we are not one to talk. Borrowing Trillions in "great economic times" is not exactly a responsible thing to do year after year.

The difference is that their corruption is usually in the billions and ours is in the trillions. It doesn't make it any more palatable.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:52 AM
 
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Animal Farm, 1984...all this stuff relates to human nature in ANY large group.

Now, if one wants a glance into the possible excesses of US Capitalism, read "The Jungle". That will tell you all you need to know.

Oil and resource heavy countries seem to almost equate perfectly with repressive and corrupt governments. It even could be said that in the USA our system was/is corrupted by the manufactured Right Wing, a product of the Texas and other oil billionaires (John Birch Society, Kochs, Hunts and many more).

Diverse economies do better - but corruption is always an issue.

If we, in the USA, look at corruption as:
1. Basic graft, nepotism and bribes of government officials and contracts
2. Lobbying (in many cases).
3. The allowance of the "double the price for less" health care systems.
4. Our overblown Security State

That alone covers TRILLIONS of dollars and a very large percentage of our "government" money.

In short, we are not one to talk. Borrowing Trillions in "great economic times" is not exactly a responsible thing to do year after year.

The difference is that their corruption is usually in the billions and ours is in the trillions. It doesn't make it any more palatable.
So you are saying our country is larger. How astute and informative.
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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Animal Farm, 1984...all this stuff relates to human nature in ANY large group.

Now, if one wants a glance into the possible excesses of US Capitalism, read "The Jungle". That will tell you all you need to know.

Oil and resource heavy countries seem to almost equate perfectly with repressive and corrupt governments. It even could be said that in the USA our system was/is corrupted by the manufactured Right Wing, a product of the Texas and other oil billionaires (John Birch Society, Kochs, Hunts and many more).

Diverse economies do better - but corruption is always an issue.

If we, in the USA, look at corruption as:
1. Basic graft, nepotism and bribes of government officials and contracts
2. Lobbying (in many cases).
3. The allowance of the "double the price for less" health care systems.
4. Our overblown Security State

That alone covers TRILLIONS of dollars and a very large percentage of our "government" money.

In short, we are not one to talk. Borrowing Trillions in "great economic times" is not exactly a responsible thing to do year after year.

The difference is that their corruption is usually in the billions and ours is in the trillions. It doesn't make it any more palatable.
You can try to pick nits over the levels of corruption.

Capitalism, with the correct level of regulation, has brought millions out of poverty, and has been key to the advancement of societies.

Communism has never done that.
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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You can try to pick nits over the levels of corruption.

Capitalism, with the correct level of regulation, has brought millions out of poverty, and has been key to the advancement of societies.

Communism has never done that.

And it never will.
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