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Old 01-05-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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In the ledger of evils perpetrated by humans, Operation Reinhard holds a special place. Over the course of 21 months starting in March 1942, Nazi forces and their collaborators rounded up 1.7 million Jews from 393 Polish towns and ghettos and dispatched them in tightly packed rail cars to three camps in German-occupied Poland – Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec.


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Old 01-05-2019, 03:43 PM
 
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In the ledger of evils perpetrated by humans, Operation Reinhard holds a special place. Over the course of 21 months starting in March 1942, Nazi forces and their collaborators rounded up 1.7 million Jews from 393 Polish towns and ghettos and dispatched them in tightly packed rail cars to three camps in German-occupied Poland – Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec.


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Absolutely incredible. It is amazing what people will do.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 03:49 PM
 
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In the ledger of evils perpetrated by humans, Operation Reinhard holds a special place. Over the course of 21 months starting in March 1942, Nazi forces and their collaborators rounded up 1.7 million Jews from 393 Polish towns and ghettos and dispatched them in tightly packed rail cars to three camps in German-occupied Poland – Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec.


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It’s hard to comprehend that level of evil. May it never happen again.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It’s hard to comprehend that level of evil. May it never happen again.
It surely will happen again...unless you adopt the non-aggression principle.

States killed nearly 262 million people in the 20th century alone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3cb3ZBmcuw

When you believe in the right of one individual to rule over another without consent and by force you have preordained theft, fraud, robbery, rape, and murder for either yourself or someone else.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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In the ledger of evils perpetrated by humans, Operation Reinhard holds a special place. Over the course of 21 months starting in March 1942, Nazi forces and their collaborators rounded up 1.7 million Jews from 393 Polish towns and ghettos and dispatched them in tightly packed rail cars to three camps in German-occupied Poland – Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec.

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I know the names Sobibor, Treblinka, and to a lesser degree Belzek. I can probably name more concentration camps than I can name capitols of European nations. While this horrible act by the wolf of Europe is almost universally condemned, could any of you Holocaust chroniclers give us any details of the other 58% who weren't Jewish and who were also rounded up and murdered by the Wolf?

We have all heard of the six million unfortunate souls who were brutally murdered, but is this a fraction of the total number murdered in these camps?
 
Old 01-05-2019, 08:07 PM
 
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I know the names Sobibor, Treblinka, and to a lesser degree Belzek. I can probably name more concentration camps than I can name capitols of European nations. While this horrible act by the wolf of Europe is almost universally condemned, could any of you Holocaust chroniclers give us any details of the other 58% who weren't Jewish and who were also rounded up and murdered by the Wolf?

We have all heard of the six million unfortunate souls who were brutally murdered, but is this a fraction of the total number murdered in these camps?
Does it matter in CERTAIN camps? We know Hitler killed the disabled, the feeble, those low in intelligence, some of those suspected of being communists, Gypsies, gays and many more....

We know that Stalin killed vastly more of his own people...for nothing...than all the people Hitler killed.

My "gut" tells me, tho, that the "others" in actual death camps didn't consist of the same percentage of civilian women, children, aged, etc.....

But I'll let you look that part up. I never researched it but have read enough memoirs (Jewish and Non-Jewish experiences in the camps) to think that it rings true.

Hitler killed lots of Slavs (Russian, Ukrainian and others.) - but I think percentages comes into this. Up to 90% of all Jews in Germany and Poland, etc. were killed. As mentioned above, Slavs killed their own by the millions regularly...and there was 10 to 15X times as many of them.

No one doubts that Slavs took the major hit in WWII....won the war, so to speak. But that's not the subject at hand.

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Old 01-05-2019, 09:45 PM
 
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Does it matter in CERTAIN camps? We know Hitler killed the disabled, the feeble, those low in intelligence, some of those suspected of being communists, Gypsies, gays and many more....

We know that Stalin killed vastly more of his own people...for nothing...than all the people Hitler killed.

My "gut" tells me, tho, that the "others" in actual death camps didn't consist of the same percentage of civilian women, children, aged, etc.....

But I'll let you look that part up. I never researched it but have read enough memoirs (Jewish and Non-Jewish experiences in the camps) to think that it rings true.

Hitler killed lots of Slavs (Russian, Ukrainian and others.) - but I think percentages comes into this. Up to 90% of all Jews in Germany and Poland, etc. were killed. As mentioned above, Slavs killed their own by the millions regularly...and there was 10 to 15X times as many of them.

No one doubts that Slavs took the major hit in WWII....won the war, so to speak. But that's not the subject at hand.
There are many people out there who believe that the percentage of Jews killed in the Holocaust was around 90% or more of the total killed by the Wolf. No one out there speaks for the millions who were murdered who were not Jewish. I don't seek to dilute the catastrophe that befell the Jews before and during WW 2, but I do want it to be understood that they were not uniquely sought out as Hitler's targets. It's important to note that Catholic clergy were also put into the camps when they would not adopt the fascist doctrine of Hitler.

I've lived and worked in New York city. When I was young it seems that everyone got along better and made an effort to get along. As I got older it seems that the effort to get along has ceased. People are no longer consenting to just being Americans but are self segregating into political and ethnic groups, and that's not good.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 10:34 PM
 
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In the ledger of evils perpetrated by humans, Operation Reinhard holds a special place. Over the course of 21 months starting in March 1942, Nazi forces and their collaborators rounded up 1.7 million Jews from 393 Polish towns and ghettos and dispatched them in tightly packed rail cars to three camps in German-occupied Poland – Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec.


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How did they kill all of these people in Sobibor, Treblinka, Belzec, Majdanek?
 
Old 01-05-2019, 11:54 PM
 
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How did they kill all of these people in Sobibor, Treblinka, Belzec, Majdanek?

I checked out the study, it is based on the number of people transported by train. According to the study, most people where gassed on arrival.

Sounds to me like propaganda as they kept comparing it to the Rwanda genocide which is considered the worst genocide in recent history.

Here is the study:
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/1/eaau7292
The word Rwanda appears 31 times, Poland where all of this took place appears 7 times.

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Old 01-06-2019, 12:00 AM
 
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It’s hard to comprehend that level of evil. May it never happen again.
It already has. More than once.
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