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Old 01-31-2019, 12:20 PM
 
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Sounds like pure speculation to me. Do you have a link?
Yes, I posted the link above. Don't believe everything CNN spouts. That line of thinking shows pure ignorance of many regions of this country.
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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It's hard to even fathom how Mitch McConnell can stand there with a straight face and oppose this. Or any of these other Republicans that supposedly represent us. Voter suppression & gerrymandering is the only way Republicans can win now.

This is a no-brainer.
Exactly. People who believe in rule by the people and the sanctity of the vote should be behind this. They are showing their true colors on this issue.

In states that take the redistricting power away from politicians ... ANY party's politicians ... the GOP tends to fair more poorly. Their policies favor the rich against the common people and it shows. McConnell knows this, so he doesn't have much faith in either rule by the people nor the sanctity of the vote. They pay lip service to it all the while undermining it.

Party above country, once again. Party against the people of the United States.
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:26 PM
 
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The last 100 years are history. TODAY republicans have the opportunity to do something positive and TODAY republicans are failing.

To paraphrase;

"Oh, you mean that thing you just decided to do, like, just now and are now judging Republicans for not doing it before or now?"
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:27 PM
 
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Exactly. People who believe in rule by the people and the sanctity of the vote should be behind this. They are showing their true colors on this issue.

In states that take the redistricting power away from politicians ... ANY party's politicians ... the GOP tends to fair more poorly. Their policies favor the rich against the common people and it shows. McConnell knows this, so he doesn't have much faith in either rule by the people nor the sanctity of the vote. They pay lip service to it all the while undermining it.

Party above country, once again. Party against the people of the United States.
In the Senate, which is elected by the entire state, so no district concerns, Republicans are the majority.
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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I've looked at the political leanings of folks on welfare. Its pretty even. In red states theres a lot more obviously, but the same for blue states. This is merely a attempt to blame the other side for being poor because of their politics. Its nonsense.


As for the actual topic here....McConnell should be ashamed. Democracy is about voting, and trying to stop people from voting is insanely unamerican. Folks need to stop supporting people like this.
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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Yes, I posted the link above. Don't believe everything CNN spouts. That line of thinking shows pure ignorance of many regions of this country.
The link you provided in turn cited to a Campbell Public Affairs survey that does not support the premise that recipients of welfare are overwhelmingly apolitical Democrat leaning. Of the 600 people surveyed, 39% identified themselves as Democrats and 24% Republican. Also of the 600 people surveyed, 14% had at one point received government assistance and 40% had a family member that received government assistance. The survey did not even ask the question "are you a Democrat that has received public assistance" or "are you a Republican that has received public assistance." The conclusion drawn by your link is not supported by the underlying data. At all.


There is also nothing in your link (and certainly nothing in the underlying survey) that supports your conclusion that "welfare recipients are Democrats or Democrats leaning individuals who are mostly apolitical living within Red States." It is probably safe to conclude that such a claim is nothing more than your rank speculation.
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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The fallacy in the articles you link is that they highlight that many welfare recipients live in so called Red States. What they fail to understand and highlight is that those welfare recipients are Democrats or Democrats leaning individuals who are mostly apolitical living within Red States - i.e. blacks and the white underclass.
The bottom line is Republicans are scared of the working class voting. Mitch is exhibit A, right here
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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The link you provided in turn cited to a Campbell Public Affairs survey that does not support the premise that recipients of welfare are overwhelmingly apolitical Democrat leaning. Of the 600 people surveyed, 39% identified themselves as Democrats and 24% Republican. Also of the 600 people surveyed, 14% had at one point received government assistance and 40% had a family member that received government assistance. The survey did not even ask the question "are you a Democrat that has received public assistance" or "are you a Republican that has received public assistance." The conclusion drawn by your link is not supported by the underlying data. At all.


There is also nothing in your link (and certainly nothing in the underlying survey) that supports your conclusion that "welfare recipients are Democrats or Democrats leaning individuals who are mostly apolitical living within Red States." It is probably safe to conclude that such a claim is nothing more than your rank speculation.
The link provided links to several surveys which found that the overwhelming majority of people on public assistance are apolitical or Democrat leaning, including one from NPR.

The fact is that the most heavily Republican states with large dependency rates all have large black populations, except for West Virginia. Do you really think these black people are Republican? Do you really think they are the wealthier part of these states’ populations? Do you think they aren’t a majority of food stamp recipients in Mississippi? The fact that Mississippi has a high food stamp rate does not mean that Republicans do.

Certainly you can see the fallacy in the assertion that because a)There are large numbers of welfare recipients in these Red States, that b)Republicans must be on welfare. That is a logical fallacy that I'm sure you're intelligent enough to notice.

Moreover, care to explain California, which has the highest number of absolute and percentage wise welfare recipients? Again, it's because of the very high number of minorities.

Now, we can and should question why we have such high numbers of minorities on assistance, but that's a totally different discussion. The point of our conversation here is that no, Republicans are not disproportionately on welfare and there is no proof that has been provided in the links or otherwise that shows that is the case.
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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The bottom line is Republicans are scared of the working class voting. Mitch is exhibit A, right here
That may be the case, but I am referencing the point made that welfare recipients make up a large part of the Republican coalition. The fact is that most very poor people, whether they be on welfare or not vote or lean Democrat. There are reasons for that, but to assert that people on welfare are Republican is simply irrational and false.
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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Care to share your statistics that Republicans are on welfare? You're very mistaken in that assertion and in fact, those on welfare are apolitical liberals. If the Democrats could get them to turn out, they would be a boom for that party.

Links?

There is very little recent evidence on this, but this link shows a few polls showing that welfare are overwhelmingly apolitical Democrat leaning.

The myth that Republicans are on welfare is one perpetuated by the so called main stream media.

Here are two distinct and accurate data point sets. Read both. For example-

Webster County- 30.41% of residents on food stamps. 76.5% of county voted for Trump.
Mingo County- 29.13% on food stamps. 83% of county voted for Trump.

https://statisticalatlas.com/state/W...ia/Food-Stamps


https://www.nytimes.com/elections/20.../west-virginia
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