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The government had wreaked havoc on that industry since WWII. Probably not even fixable now.
Don't hate the farmer for it. Go work on a dairy farm sometime. Arctic blast? So what the cows still need milking plus a hundred other things each day
Meh...this isn’t really about the small family farmer and you know it. No one begrudges those people.
It’s the fatcat wealthy ones that get very wealthy from government money and THEN vote against anything that smacks of big government...unless it’s a program that benefits them!
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You do know SNAP is @ 80% of the Farm bill right????
It’s still welfare, and the farmers are recipients no different than SNAP recipients are. A lot of these farmers have become extremely wealthy from the government’s largesse.
But again, I’m pro farmer welfare. I just don’t make distinctions between them and other welfareheads.
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I have no issue with pork-barrel spending in states like Texas, Nebraska, Kansas, North Dakota.
I like the culture and quality of life in middle-America so what ever the senators can do to prop up the agriculture industry is good with me.
If farmers don't produce enough soy, wheat, corn that leads to inflationary pressure and cause ripple-effects through the economy.
I admit that California agriculture overall is more nutrient dense as opposed to middle-America but Republicans are politically not going to win 54 electoral votes there if they subsidize the crops more.
It is what is what is. There is alot more for Republicans to gain to subsidies to less populated middle-America and Texas than subsidies to California.
And it is typical conservative hypocrisy, nothing else. Brought to you by the same hypocrites who pretend they favor less government yet are more than happy to call for more to monitor peoples' bedroom behavior and medical decisions. The very same hypocrites who pretend to favor less government spending but have an apparently permanent plank in their platform to spend more on an already bloated military budget.
If there was a Nobel awarded for hypocrisy, the GOP'd be a shoe-in.
We always hear about how bad government handouts are from conservatives. But when you look at farm subsidies, which are simply government handouts to guarantee a rate of return for farming businesses, they have no problem with taking it in. Besides taking in government handouts going against their anti-govt stance, the handouts also undercut their favored economic system, capitalism, by providing guaranteed rates of return and eliminating the need to compete in a free market.
In 2017, the 10 states receiving the most farm subsidies were:
Blame the Democrats.
The subsidies they are getting were put in place by FDR. And they were kept in place by Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, Clinton & Obama.
(I expect the topic will die now. The left hates the facts.)
I'm happy to provide tax money to farmers growing food for people. Not a waste at all, IMO. They earn it.
That’s silly. Either you’re for big government or you’re not. Either you believe in free market principles that state that “markets know best,” or you don’t.
Being granted a price support sure as hell doesn’t mean you deserve it. Every damn business in this country would LOVE to have price supports built into their business model. Why are they any less deserving?
Farmers are not more virtuous than other Americans just because they grow food. Many of these people are millionaires, not Ma and Pa Kettle with a few acres and a few cattle, pigs and chickens.
And I will again state that I’m FOR farmer welfare...but let’s call it what it is.
The subsidies they are getting were put in place by FDR. And they were kept in place by Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, Clinton & Obama.
(I expect the topic will die now. The left hates the facts.)
Democrats generally believe in farm subsidies AKA, the cheap food policy. I always have ever since Ed Schultz explained it to me.
And I will always be for price supports for farmers. I just don’t want them pretending as if they’re rugged individualists that hate government when the facts couldn’t possibly contravene that assertion anymore than they already do.
We always hear about how bad government handouts are from conservatives. But when you look at farm subsidies, which are simply government handouts to guarantee a rate of return for farming businesses, they have no problem with taking it in. Besides taking in government handouts going against their anti-govt stance, the handouts also undercut their favored economic system, capitalism, by providing guaranteed rates of return and eliminating the need to compete in a free market.
In 2017, the 10 states receiving the most farm subsidies were:
The state producing the most overall food in America? California, producing more than half of all fruits, vegetables, and nuts, while also being top producer of milk and the #4 producer of beef.
Conservatives are all too happy to bash any form of government handout, and are regularly talking about or putting together bills to cut government handouts. But when it comes to farm subsidies, they always want to kick the can down the road because they know taking government handouts away from red states would create major backlash and threaten their stronghold in the heartland.
Whats worse is that the majority of crops produced in the heartland are government subsidized and genetically modified corn, soybeans and wheat. A lot of what is produced taste horrible because it isn't grown to be eaten directly, but to be processed into ingredients for junk food (you can think of high fructose corn syrup as welfare sugar), ethanol, and non-food products. We also provide 40% of the world's corn supply, using taxpayer dollars to produce exports to other countries.
When you purchase food made cheaper by subsidy crops, you are essentially participating in a government welfare program, choosing cheaper foods due to government handouts over more expensive products produced in a free market manner. That includes eating beef fattened up by cheap corn and sweetened products that use high fructose corn syrup.
The next time you hear someone saying that the heartland feeds the nation, remember they rake in the most government subsidies and still don't produce anywhere near as much food as California.
Go ahead and kill it I'm good with that. As long as you kill the whole farm bill. no snap. no school lunch......
We always hear about how bad government handouts are from conservatives. But when you look at farm subsidies, which are simply government handouts to guarantee a rate of return for farming businesses, they have no problem with taking it in. Besides taking in government handouts going against their anti-govt stance, the handouts also undercut their favored economic system, capitalism, by providing guaranteed rates of return and eliminating the need to compete in a free market.
In 2017, the 10 states receiving the most farm subsidies were:
The state producing the most overall food in America? California, producing more than half of all fruits, vegetables, and nuts, while also being top producer of milk and the #4 producer of beef.
Conservatives are all too happy to bash any form of government handout, and are regularly talking about or putting together bills to cut government handouts. But when it comes to farm subsidies, they always want to kick the can down the road because they know taking government handouts away from red states would create major backlash and threaten their stronghold in the heartland.
Whats worse is that the majority of crops produced in the heartland are government subsidized and genetically modified corn, soybeans and wheat. A lot of what is produced taste horrible because it isn't grown to be eaten directly, but to be processed into ingredients for junk food (you can think of high fructose corn syrup as welfare sugar), ethanol, and non-food products. We also provide 40% of the world's corn supply, using taxpayer dollars to produce exports to other countries.
When you purchase food made cheaper by subsidy crops, you are essentially participating in a government welfare program, choosing cheaper foods due to government handouts over more expensive products produced in a free market manner. That includes eating beef fattened up by cheap corn and sweetened products that use high fructose corn syrup.
The next time you hear someone saying that the heartland feeds the nation, remember they rake in the most government subsidies and still don't produce anywhere near as much food as California.
Ummmmm...
Maybe because all of those states have a lot of farms?
And because California uses almost exclusively cheap Illegal labor for it's farm work?
Maybe because all of those states have a lot of farms?
And because California uses almost exclusively cheap Illegal labor for it's farm work?
And Texas only uses verified citizens to work on its farms? Lol, nice try. I lived in Texas for over a decade. Business owners there will use illegal labor just as fast as anyone in California.
And its not because of the number of farms, its the type of crop grown. Corn, soybeans and wheat get the overwhelming majority of all farm welfare. Fruits, vegetables and nuts receive very little from the farm bill and no price guarantees like grain farmers get.
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