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Old 02-01-2019, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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In his course description, political science professor Kenneth Mayer terms the Trump presidency the most “unconventional presidency in American history, with a president who gleefully flouts the norms of governing and presidential behavior that have structured the office since George Washington.”

He continues by saying that Trump supporters “rejoice in his contempt for what they insist is a corrupt D.C. establishment. If elites are against it, Trump’s supporters are for it.”
This is what is called an inconvenient truth. If the actual truth makes Trump supporters squeamish, they need to reexamine why they are supporters.
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Old 02-01-2019, 10:06 PM
 
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The college campus is actually slightly more conservative than the city itself. If you look at 2016 and 2018 election results, the most conservative Madison precinct was on the UW campus (particularly the freshman dorms). Even as a far-leftie, sometimes Madison's politics terrifies me, but I still think it's the best city in the state of WI.

Very true. College taught me that essential skill.
Good post and discussions.

I think that echo chamber type areas like Madison (or in highly conservative areas) are counter-productive to developing ones mind.

I left my home town thinking I'd be free of some degree of religious zealotry, I've found a different form of it outside small town USA although they rationalize it differently.
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Old 02-01-2019, 10:44 PM
 
Location: WI/MN resident
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Good post and discussions.

I think that echo chamber type areas like Madison (or in highly conservative areas) are counter-productive to developing ones mind.


I left my home town thinking I'd be free of some degree of religious zealotry, I've found a different form of it outside small town USA although they rationalize it differently.
Same!
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Old 02-01-2019, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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100% accurate, don't know why anyone would find it offensive.
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Old 02-02-2019, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...O5WcIAnxacE96E



This course description caused a student to feel "intimidated and excluded" and drew the attention of a Wisconsin Republican lawmaker, who wrote a letter to the professor and the UW Board of Regents in opposition to the course description.



Do you guys think this professor's course description promotes political bias, or do you think he is merely exercising his academic freedom? I'm neutral about this.
In his course description, political science professor Kenneth Mayer terms the Trump presidency the most “unconventional presidency in American history, with a president who gleefully flouts the norms of governing and presidential behavior that have structured the office since George Washington.”

Seems to me that's exactly how many of Trump's supporters right here on C-D describe him. Approvingly.
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Old 02-02-2019, 05:22 AM
 
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The larger question perhaps is what possible educational value will be derived from such a course? What will these students be able to offer future employers as a result of this course? The same can be said for many courses and even majors today. Not only are we churning out functionally illiterate high school graduates, but we're also churning out uneducated college graduates not suited for anything more than low level employment.
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Old 02-02-2019, 12:37 PM
 
Location: WI/MN resident
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In his course description, political science professor Kenneth Mayer terms the Trump presidency the most “unconventional presidency in American history, with a president who gleefully flouts the norms of governing and presidential behavior that have structured the office since George Washington.”

Seems to me that's exactly how many of Trump's supporters right here on C-D describe him. Approvingly.
I can't say I disagree.
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Old 02-02-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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In his course description, political science professor Kenneth Mayer terms the Trump presidency the most “unconventional presidency in American history, with a president who gleefully flouts the norms of governing and presidential behavior that have structured the office since George Washington.”

Seems to me that's exactly how many of Trump's supporters right here on C-D describe him. Approvingly.
Exactly. There is nothing in that course description that is inaccurate & that description is precisely how supporters would describe him.
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Old 02-02-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Why listen to a progressive who votes for failures? Any wonder you never discuss policy?
I discuss policy all the time, especially single payer healthcare and removing marijuana from DEA Schedule I
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Old 02-02-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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Why listen to a progressive who votes for failures? Any wonder you never discuss policy?
I have no idea what you're talking about. People for whom I've voted are not failures, either as people or professionals. But if you're talking about winning/losing elections, apart from the fact that you're wrong - do you have some kind of bizarre idea that people should only vote for whoever they imagine will win?

However, speaking of failures - three marriages, consorting with hookers/porn actresses, dependent on his father's money, multiple bankruptcies, no real friends, unprecedented public disapproval, devoid of intellect or culture ... now, Trump is what I'd call a loser, even if he managed to con millions of delusional people into voting for him.
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