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View Poll Results: Will the Democrats extreme position on Abortion hurt or help them in 2020?
Help 7 8.86%
Hurt 47 59.49%
No difference 25 31.65%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-05-2019, 05:22 PM
 
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As a political moderate I will go along with abortions in the 1st two trimesters and in the 3rd trimester only if the baby is non-viable or the mother's life is in danger. Abortions up to the day of delivery for any reason at all is barbaric and not what civilized people do. It is infanticide.
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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As a political moderate I will go along with abortions in the 1st two trimesters and in the 3rd trimester only if the baby is non-viable or the mother's life is in danger. Abortions up to the day of delivery for any reason at all is barbaric and not what civilized people do. It is infanticide.
I think you are probably where majority of the people are.
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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Burdell , old friend, define non-viable . That may be the slippery slope many are concerned about. If it is alive does that not mean it done passed the viability threshold ?
The thing that I found most striking in the article was how for Democrats it is more offensive to dress up like Michael Jackson that aborting a full term baby.
Non viable is a slippery slope? That’s why people become doctor to figure out if the baby is viable or not. Get a medical degree. Speacialize in OBGYN then you will know just because something is alive doesn’t make it viable. When you become a doctor and see these women’s medical records and you are their doctor,you can advise them. Your medical knowledge of LTA is sorely lacking.
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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Have the Democrats reached a tipping point. Will their "coming out" on where they are on Abortion create a renewed uprising of the pro life movement for 2020?
https://wise-silence.com/democrat-go...r-infanticide/
Nope the same people who are pro life before are still...and those who don't care or don't support the same.

In fact, in past elections, candidates have been careful to not cite abortion as an issue because it is so decisive and not necessarily a BIG winning point for candidates in areas that aren't primarily hard, religious right conservatives.

I think focusing on this could hurt Trump with the swing voters who won the election for him last time.
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Anyone who thinks they should have the right and the power to step between a doctor and their patient and make healthcare decisions in the doctor's place should be ashamed of themselves.

So you support infanticide? Kermit Gosnell must be your idol.

The fact is the law and the courts have been stepping in on those decisions of homicide for hundreds of years and the killing of a baby after birth is homicide, plain and simple.

And if the parent and doctor agree with the decision to end a life of a baby after birth then it would be first degree murder.
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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So you support infanticide? Kermit Gosnell must be your idol.
Because I believe medical decisions should be left up to medical professionals that translates into me supporting infanticide?

Yeah, okay, whatever makes you feel superior, even if it is based on manufactured nonsense.

Tell you what, next time you have a serious medical condition, come to me and I'll tell you what you have to do. No need for you to consult a doctor, since you deem them unnecessary in making complicated medical decisions.

How ridiculous.
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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At least abortions have already been becoming increasingly rare:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...nce-roe-v-wade

That is the good part about it; abortion rates continue to drop.

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This is not what the probirth side wants. If they did, they would push for full birth control coverage instead of fight against it. If the probirth side would join in the push for full birth control coverage, then abortion rates would drop. Medical and late term would remain be an issue for them, but maybe they would grow to see that those women who need them are not sluts like they perceive most women today who get abortions. The need for most abortions would eliminated. Funny how they don't fight for that.
Abortion rates are dropping. But you are right, the forced birth side, not only hates abortion - they don't like birth control either. It's abstinence or nothing.


That said late term abortions are not a thing. No woman has an 'abortion' on the delivery table. Injuries or disabilities 'incompatible with life' should only be determined by a licensed medical doctor and not a politician.


I also believe in assisted suicide for people dying a painful death because I've watched it and I don't want it for myself.
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Old 02-06-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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As a political moderate I will go along with abortions in the 1st two trimesters and in the 3rd trimester only if the baby is non-viable or the mother's life is in danger. Abortions up to the day of delivery for any reason at all is barbaric and not what civilized people do. It is infanticide.
And that is where we stand now.

Why people believe abortions are performed up to the day of delivery, or even better post delivery, for any reason is giving me a big headache. . I am apparently making enemies on my FB. Friends, educated and intelligent ones, are posting this nonsense, I post the verbiage of the actual bills (NY and Virginia), and they continue to post the nonsense.

I would really like someone to show me where any bill says that. I would like them show me where any woman had an abortion at delivery just because she wanted one. I would like them to admit its BS.
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Old 02-06-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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I was listening to Thom Hartmann on Sirius progressive channel a little while ago. He's embraced the crazy. He pooh poohed Trump's stance against anti Semitism stating that the WW2 veteran that liberated Dachau was only the liberator of a work camp and not a concentration camp. And then he said illegal immigrants stopped at the border were in real concentration camps.
He's as insane as the DC dems.
And now the Virginia Attorney general said he wore blackface in college in the 80s. I joked about the DNC putting on a minstrel show but I think they're actually ready to do it.
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Old 02-06-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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And that is where we stand now.

Why people believe abortions are performed up to the day of delivery, or even better post delivery, for any reason is giving me a big headache. . I am apparently making enemies on my FB. Friends, educated and intelligent ones, are posting this nonsense, I post the verbiage of the actual bills (NY and Virginia), and they continue to post the nonsense.

I would really like someone to show me where any bill says that. I would like them show me where any woman had an abortion at delivery just because she wanted one. I would like them to admit its BS.
Listen to the Governor himself...
https://wise-silence.com/democrat-go...r-infanticide/
Or you can listen to the woman who sponsored the bill...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMFzZ5I30dg
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