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Old 02-13-2019, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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No. What employer pays for insurance is part of the overall compensation. But if you are concerned that the employer would just keep the money, then it could be easily done is via payroll taxes like the current Medicare. And it does not need to be 1:1 contributions.


sorry but you and I are not going to get 1500/month plus raises just because the employer is not paying your 75% of your premium anymore...it wont happen




my portion of the family premium for Aetna is 327/per period (every two weeks) that is 705 monthly... my employer pays 75% of the actual premium, where I pay 25%.. my employer contribution for the premium is 2100/month.... or over 25k annually


do you really think the employer is going to say WCH, you have done a great job, and since we are saving 25k per year with singlepayer, we will give you a raise from 72k to 98k per year.... it isn't going to happen




oh and btw..my employer is the federal government... I guarantee it will not happen...
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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sorry but you and I are not going to get 1500/month plus raises just because the employer is not paying your 75% of your premium anymore...it wont happen




my portion of the family premium for Aetna is 327/per period (every two weeks) that is 705 monthly... my employer pays 75% of the actual premium, where I pay 25%.. my employer contribution for the premium is 2100/month.... or over 25k annually


do you really think the employer is going to say WCH, you have done a great job, and since we are saving 25k per year with singlepayer, we will give you a raise from 72k to 98k per year.... it isn't going to happen




oh and btw..my employer is the federal government... I guarantee it will not happen...

I already told you how to do it if that's a concern.
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I already told you how to do it if that's a concern.
and your solution was the individual taxpayer gets the shaft
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:49 PM
 
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and your solution was the individual taxpayer gets the shaft
No, it was not. Do you actually read what's posted?
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Old 02-14-2019, 01:16 AM
 
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Does not seem like he does!

The Taxpayer is not saddled with 100% of the cost!! Its spread out by the Employer, Worker, VAT etc..

I would be very surprised if there is a system out there, where only the taxpayer themselves would have to take 100% of the costs.


Now, if an employer in his compensation package is not required any longer to pay 5-10.000 a year in medical insurance, don´t you think companies would start giving out more in salary? How else would they keep staff? People would move companies ALOT more, because they are not terrified of loosing their insurance for their family. Companies would have to start increasing salaries to attract or keep those people! And they would have the money to do so..
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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You can opt out so long as you pay in full for your own healthcare if you need it.
Why do I not believe that?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFiHUlhQMlQ
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:05 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Living in a society means that it's not all about me.
I won't believe that until 100% of US 1040 filers pay federal income tax. No more of this 45% of US 1040 filers pay no federal income tax at all. The "social contract" means EVERYONE pays.
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Old 02-24-2019, 10:56 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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This is all nice but.

Big pharma OWNS congress. Yet another exclusive given on an OUT OF PATENT drug then price rises to 400K a year. The Shkreli drug is still 50X higher than before. People are dying because insulin is going up by multiples every year.

We allow debranding
We allow evergreening
We allow oligopoly based collusion.
We allow unregulated monopolies

Until you fix this, prices will be higher. Do you really think congress will stop their own big pharma gravy train?

Big hospitals the same
Out of network providers in in-network facilities
Ive NEVER had an in network E room doc even tho the hospital was in network.
In network anesthesiologist? You will find bigfoot faster.
Code skimming...
"Certificate of need" games.
Buy facilities to shut them to eliminate competition.
You live in NJ? In Northern NJ, almost every hospital requires the anesthesia group they contract with, to be in network. In the rare case where we have an insurance company that wants to pay less than the usual and customary rate, we have to petition the hospital, who will intervene with the insurance company on our behalf. There are a few companies that wont budge, and then the hospital gives us a waiver on that company, but there are very few in which we are out of network. It has been this way for the last 5 or 10 years.

Privately owned surgery centers are a different story.
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