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Old 03-02-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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While the President has lots of powers granted to him (not just Trump ANY President), in most cases Presidents resort to using those powers only in 'emergencies'.

There was no rush to get Kushner cleared....

Remember there is a pattern here.

This man has grown up with privileges from his father and has passed those privileges on to his kids. Look -- all is good -- not saying that is anything wrong. But with public office -- this kind of handing out favors is frowned upon.

AND -- the most important thing -- they most definitely intended to mislead the public about the details. Why? If it was all done in good faith - why lie about it?

Because they knew it was not the accepted practice.

And the next time a President you don't like hands out a security clearance because he can.....just remember -- you think it is perfectly acceptable.



Not sure which way you are going?


To the first bold, define "they" in that sentence.


For the second bold, he cannot (any president)....unless you can prove, right now that kushner has a TS clearance right now, and he did not go through the complete SF86 process.
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Old 03-02-2019, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Trump's in charge of security clearances stop the pouting. Trump says it's great to be the King!
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Old 03-02-2019, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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No, he does not.



Yes, but they still have to go through the SF86 process.

How does this negate the SF86 process?


Yes there is....it's called the SF86 process.

It does and it has....if not, then why was kushner's interim clearance stepped down so he could no longer see TS information?
The whole process is based on an EO

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Source: Executive Order 12968 and supplemental guidance

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An EO can be over ridden anytime the President so desires. He owns all EOs.
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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The really interesting aspect, if I understand it correctly, is that Trump has the right to order clearance - but he chose to lie about it.
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Think of it like this libs.

Trump is like your Big Boss, what he says goes when it comes to clearances, he doesn't need to offer any explanation. Accept that, maybe a couple of Tums, doze off, Trump will still be in charge tomorrow. The American people elected him. Your guy lost, get over it..
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Impeachment certainly isn't limited to only criminal behavior - but to abuse of power. And Trump does that daily...
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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The whole process is based on an EO

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Source: Executive Order 12968 and supplemental guidance

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An EO can be over ridden anytime the President so desires. He owns all EOs.

Section 1.2... of your EO:


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(a) No employee shall be granted access to classified information unless that employee has been determined to be eligible in accordance with this order and to possess a need-to-know.
Show me in your EO or supplemental guidance, where it says the president can give anyone he wants any type of security clearance....without going through the SF86 process......


Be specific....







And to make it easy on you, here is that EO:


https://www.dni.gov/index.php/ic-leg...ve-order-12968
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:20 PM
 
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The really interesting aspect, if I understand it correctly, is that Trump has the right to order clearance - but he chose to lie about it.

You are not understanding it correctly. If it is true, then why does kushner not have a 100% clearance (of any clearance), right now and not an interim clearance?
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Section 1.2... of your EO:





Show me in your EO or supplemental guidance, where it says the president can give anyone he wants any type of security clearance....






And to make it easy on you, here is that EO:


https://www.dni.gov/index.php/ic-leg...ve-order-12968
No need. The President is not bound by the EO. He overrides it...it is overridden. The EO is simply the codified desire of the President.

If he says give Kushner a TS clearance it is done.

Got to admit this is weird...here am I defending Trump against a right winger...hell has frozen over.
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:25 PM
 
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No need. The President is not bound by the EO. He overrides it...it is overridden. The EO is simply the codified desire of the President.

If he says give Kushner a TS clearance it is done.

Got to admit this is weird...here am I defending Trump against a right winger...hell has frozen over.



If what you say is true, then why does kushner have an interim clearance and not a TS? Is it possible he is going through the entire process?
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