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I don't have to. My mother-in-law, now deceased ... she did not win mother of the year awards. I married her son ... scarred for life that one. However, he still had a life filled with choices ... and so have you. At some point though ... we have to own the choices we make.
btw: using the scientific term fetus for unborn child, does not take away from the fact that it is an unborn child.
Motherhood (imo) is not sainted today ... but maybe it should be. More women are opting not to have children and we, the world around, is undergoing a baby bust. We are becoming a world with old people and no children. Interesting turn of events, if you ask me. Choices don't come without consequences and we have most certainly made our beds.
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Originally Posted by rodentraiser
Own what choices? You believe it's a child, I believe it's a clump of cells. I believe I should be allowed to make the decisions I want to make for my body and you think someone else (you) should be allowed to make the decisions about what to do with my body for me (not gonna happen).
I can't get pregnant but if I could and I did, I'd have an abortion as fast as possible. Aside from the health risks in having a baby, I simply don't want to go through nine months of pregnancy or the pain of childbirth. I have a right to make that choice and I wouldn't feel the least bit guilty about it.
More women don't regret their abortions than do and many of them are able to have the good lives they have today only because they got an abortion when they needed it. If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. If you want to save what you call an unborn child, then have it transplanted into your uterus, you carry it for nine months, and you give birth to it. Either that or offer to pay the bills associated with getting that child born and adopt it yourself. There's your choice. The choice you don't get to make is a choice for some other woman for a FETUS she is carrying that has nothing at all to do with you. As in, who died and left you in charge of everyone's morals and actions?
And what baby bust? We have 7.5 billion people in the world today. We could easily get by with only 2 or 3 billion. Personally, I'd welcome a baby bust until we're down to that level. The US did just fine when there were fewer people here during the first half of the 20th century and it will do just fine again if we get back down to those population levels. Much better, in fact, than if we keep adding people to our already overpopulated country.
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You believe it's a child, I believe it's a clump of cells.
Beyond what you or I believe are science facts. A fetus or foetus is the unborn offspring of an animal that develops from an embryo.
"The population of a society does not increase when every woman is replaced on average by two children."
^baby bust ---
There have been five mass extinctions in earth's history. Keep working on it, the sixth one just may include humans, that is the choice we will own and the consequence to our actions.
"The population of a society does not increase when every woman is replaced on average by two children."
^baby bust ---
There have been five mass extinctions in earth's history. Keep working on it, the sixth one just may include humans, that is the choice we will own and the consequence to our actions.
If humans become extinct it will be due to their own irresponsible poisoning and ravaging of the planet..in which case, they are not worthy of what mother nature loaned them, were atrocious stewards, were carrying on like parasites and got what they deserved.
"The population of a society does not increase when every woman is replaced on average by two children."
^baby bust ---
There have been five mass extinctions in earth's history. Keep working on it, the sixth one just may include humans, that is the choice we will own and the consequence to our actions.
Consequence of our actions?
How about we learn to feed the children that have already been born before we worry about breeding more?
But with pro-lifers it's all about birth not survival, right?
Pro-lifers always whining about the right to be born but insisting access to food and healthcare is not a right, how sick and twisted is that?
It's all about forced birth and controlling women not pro-life.
Everybody needs to wake up to know how sick and disgustingly true that is. I will never ever forgive a Republican state legislator who opposed a law being passed that would persuade women from throwing their newborns in dumpsters. Instead, they could legally turn newborns over to a caregiver with no questions asked. The legislator opposed it because the woman would get by with no child abandonment charges. He had such a cold, cruel heart that he couldn't picture a baby suffering and dying in a dumpster.
"The population of a society does not increase when every woman is replaced on average by two children."
^baby bust ---
There have been five mass extinctions in earth's history. Keep working on it, the sixth one just may include humans, that is the choice we will own and the consequence to our actions.
Seriously? Do you know how small the number of people are who aren't having kids? Then there's the ones who have 5+ kids, like Mormons or the Duggars. I'm sure they'll balance the rest of us out.
And I'm still of the opinion that it would be a wonderful thing if the population decrease.
Zygote, embryo, fetus. Whatever you want to call it, it's still a clump of cells during the time most women get abortions. It isn't sentient, it doesn't think, and it doesn't feel pain. That's a science fact for you. Again, if you don't like abortions, don't get one. But you aren't better than anyone else, so you have no right to make decisions for another woman's body. Not unless you want to be forced to donate your internal organs for a dying child. See, forcing someone to do something they don't want to do works both ways.
If you want to harp on the fact that it's a potential human being, we can open that can of worms. Women who menstruate are losing eggs - potential human beings. Men who masturbate are losing sperm - potential human beings. What, you want to make a law that forbids women from having periods or something? Or maybe you want to ban birth control outright. After all, that prevents potential human beings from getting together and forming, doesn't it?
Let’s applaud these Twitter users for defending the unborn!
Alyssa Milano asked women to email her their abortion stories in a recent tweet. The stories will be for her upcoming podcast “Sorry Not Sorry.”
"While the post generated a variety of responses, it also caught the attention of pro-life women, including women and men suffering from previous abortions."
These are really sad ones for some and happy ones for those who ignored the doctors to abort and they didn't.
Even the original claimant in Roe vs. Wade about abortion CHANGED HER mind and said if she had to do it all over, she would NOT have had the abortion and was sorry for the suit filed.
Even the original claimant in Roe vs. Wade about abortion CHANGED HER mind and said if she had to do it all over, she would NOT have had the abortion and was sorry for the suit filed.
That's HER. Thousands of other women are happy the suit was filed and that they were able to have their abortions. The bottom line is, no one is forced to have an abortion. But if Roe vs Wade is overturned, all women will be forced to give birth. And the women being forced to give birth will have to do so not because they chose it for themselves, but because complete strangers who have nothing to do with them are making the decisions of what these women can and can't do with their own bodies.
Even the original claimant in Roe vs. Wade about abortion CHANGED HER mind and said if she had to do it all over, she would NOT have had the abortion and was sorry for the suit filed.
So what?
There are plenty of women who gave a child up for adoption and if they had it to do all over again they would NOT have put them up for adoption.
So, using your logic, all adoption should be banned.
...i'm sure it was...for the fetus, not so much....
Yes I'm sure all those unborn children are screaming in the skies cursing that their mama got rid of them.
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Originally Posted by Minethatbird
If it didn't exist why did it have to be removed?
Yes you're right the wording is a bit off but it's along those same lines. The fetus existed but it wasn't sentient. It's no worse than killing a bug at that point of development.
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Originally Posted by thefragile
Poor you.
I don’t know, maybe in the garbage? I don’t know what they do with the tissue.
?? The tissue was removed, therefore it no longer existed.
No, I’ve only had one.
Yes, and?
Why? Because I didn’t wring my hands over my decision or regret it? Plenty of women don’t regret it. It was a simple decision to make & a simple in/out procedure. Why would you wish someone to bemoan it the rest of their lives? I didn’t want it, I’ve never wanted to have a kid so there it is.
I can only imagine how many MORE messed up families there would be if people were forced to carry to term. Often times a woman will stay with a man just because they had a child with him. She'll be even more likely to stay with him if she never wanted them in the first place.
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Originally Posted by CaveSpringNewb
It's 2019 with a zillion ways not to get pregnant, but men and woman choose to be irresponsible whores.
It blows my brain the number of excuses these people make to justify their actions by killing the innocent. Yea, let me go in and out and take this "tissue" out of my uterus". No biggy! Really? How did you miss the countless memos that you can get birth control FREE. Next they'll tell us they are the 1% that got pregnant on birth control too. Don't buy it. There are too many abortions.
These types of people like the girl who's posting on this thread feels no remorse because she has no feeling for life except her own.
Selfish ugly people live all around us unfortunately. It's such a shame to have these heartless individuals around and surround our children.
I don't know how many are legit but birth control is not a walk in the park either. I'm not sure why but biology does not make it easy to not have a child. The only foolproof birth control is abstinence. The IUD is the most effective but it can take over a year to get used to it if it even works out for you. The worst part about that is if you happen to get pregnant it can easily end up being more dangerous. I don't blame anyone for being eerie about using birth control. It can be just as scary as becoming pregnant or having a termination. Anything involving a change in your body like that is all overwhelming/scary so it's easy in that moment to make the wrong choice so a termination is a way of making it right. Considering that if they do end up getting pregnant despite getting birth control, they definitely deserve that right because coercing them would be saying that they struggled for nothing only to struggle for another 9 months +.
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Originally Posted by lhpartridge
Would you rather that such selfish ugly people have their children and subject them to a lifetime of selfishness and ugliness? What kind of parent will a person make who does not want to be a parent?
Looking at it on an outside point of view, I would tell my mom to not have me because my father doesn't deserve to care for someone else. He doesn't even have the desire to take care of himself.
I can't imagine having a mother that didn't want you. That kid would likely be f'ed up for life maybe even worse than I had it.
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Originally Posted by janelle144
Because abortion isn’t normal. No matter how many people try to say it is, it just isn’t. It can never be normal for a mother to take the life of a child. It goes against our very inborn nature. Your life is never the same after you take innocent life.
If I had a nickel for everytime someone justified against something because it's not normal...
People say being bi/gay is not normal. It doesn't mean it's bad.
Being neurodivergent is not normal. Does that mean you want to literally change people's brain wiring into conformity? I wouldn't be surprised if you do because some people do believe in that which only makes the argument even less credible.
Something more related it's not normal to get your teeth pulled especially your permanent but people do that everyday too because probably terminations are just as common as that. (I only had to get my molar pulled..the other was a baby but it still felt weird and omg the cracking sound that definitely is not normal) My life will never be the same perhaps in a smaller way but I know my molar had to come out. It should have never happened. I should have been able to keep it but I know my mouth was better off for it just like that fetus is most likely better off never being born.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Yet they never want to look at pictures of an actual aborted baby. At 10 weeks, you can see the little hand and fingers. It's quite clear it's a baby.
Or the developmental stages of a baby in the womb.
It's weird. They are so proud of it yet scared of it at the same time. Like they don't want to face the actual truth.
You know those procedures where the doctor gives you your tooth or appendix in a jar or shows you what was removed? That should be part of the abortion. The should see the bits of "tissue" or "mass" that was removed. The arms, legs, fingers, toes, spine. Should be no problem with that, right?
Well, no. They don't even want to see the ultrasound. What other "medical" procedure is there, where a doctor does NOT show you a scan, ultrasound, or Xray or video of what's being removed?
I can't think of one.
Maybe they don't want to look at wombs period. I don't find ultrasounds particularly cool to look at. I'm glad they didn't show me my tooth in a jar. I wouldn't want to look at that either. You have to admit most of us look like aliens until we reach a certain age (especially in the womb). Even animal babies look kinda weird until they start growing hair.
The only reason I want to look at the spot now is to see how it's healing but I find the human body to often to be a disgusting place. I have watched House, ER and The Good Doctor but I always look away when they show what they're doing. If I ever have children, I won't want to see the baby AT ALL until they clean them up real good *shudders*
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui
Men could help out if they took care of their sperm in a responsible way, but they don’t.
Women as well as men are sexual beings telling them not to have sex as an adult is ludicrous. Come up with a realistic suggestion.
I agree they don't have any responsibility somehow. They do whatever they want and not have to deal with the consequences. They don't have to worry about a pill shot possible pregnancy etc. If they screw up with the rubber who gets to deal with it?
There's always a risk when you have sex but life is a risk unfortunately. Being afraid of risks all the time is no way to live. I should know. I'm often afraid to take risks even if it's small and I'm trying not to do that. Should I never learn to drive a car because I might get in an accident? You drive in your car not thinking too hard about it (which is the healthy way to be) but the reality is you get into that car someone could die today because of you and it won't be a fetus but a fully formed person. All it takes is one wrong move. Life is dangerous. You should always be considerate when you can to people who deserve it but that doesn't mean that we should sit there and not ever do what we want to do because of something that might happen? Minimizing risks are important but not to the point it takes all the enjoyment out of it. That's actually where I'm at right now. I want to have popcorn at the movies but I fear my mouth won't be ready. If it's healing up now what am I even worrying about it? That's like a week away and I'm already sitting here worrying about the husks getting caught in the hole. How about I worry about that if and when it happens? I'm sure you'd be sitting here thinking the same thing telling me I'm stupid for worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet and I should just shut up and enjoy that mouth watering buttery goodness. I feel the same way about sex. If you want to have sex with someone and you've taken precautions do it. I shudder to think of people who say the risk isn't worth it because they must be worse at living life than me and that's pretty sad.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Women can require that men wear a condom during sex.
Problem solved.
Those little pieces of rubber are a joke. The only thing they are for really is prevention against STDs but even then I would keep it in mind that I might be risking an STD for him. There should be more options for men to block his sperm (like an equivalent of an IUD)
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
So because some women have chosen partners poorly and/or have low self worth and self respect, all women everywhere should be allowed to kill their babies. That's the argument?
For argument's sake: I will allow abortions for victims of rape and incest. Absolutely all the abortions they want. That's off the table we are in complete agreement ...
So then you agree that the other 98.5% of abortions are wrong?
Or is the rape/incest argument your way of *pretending* you think abortion is only necessary for one circumstance ... but you don't really mean it, wink wink, and still think all abortions are good?
Who knows why they get an abortion? They might not tell you but they might have a good reason for it. You're assuming that 98.5 percent of abortions are all not due to sexual abuse but you're trusting reports. The reality is most likely it's more common than you think because a lot of rape incidents aren't reported. It's a very shameful thing to admit even though it shouldn't be because she didn't do anything wrong but that's often how she would feel about it.
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz
Pro-choice is a slogan. It doesn't mean anything.
It is illegal to kill yourself. Why aren't people "pro-choice" when it comes to suicide? Or walking down the street naked? Or having sex in public? Or shooting up heroine? Or whatever else.
Pro-choice just means pro-abortion. The idea that liberals favor choice is absolutely absurd. They don't even want people drinking coca-cola or smoking cigarettes.
Probably because suicide is one of those things where they want to know they are important. I'm told that the majority of people are hesitating which is why they are reaching out to others. They want to be talked out of it. People who want to commit suicide usually just do it in secret.
Not sure on the public nudity thing. Personally I probably wouldn't look and porn itself doesn't interest me but I wouldn't make a law saying you can't do it. Unless I don't like you I don't complain about seeing women's boobs despite mostly being straight. I made a joke about Christina showing hers on the Voice but I actually didn't care. It would have been weird if she didn't really.
Heroin hurts the person doing it. If I care about you I won't want you to do it because I don't want anything to happen to you. The ability to choose abortion on the other hand helps the woman.
Smoking hurts the person doing it AND the people around them whereas a termination only affects one non developed organism.
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Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie
What if I was aborted? But I believe a lot of people who want abortion banned wish I was aborted. They resent me quite a bit, because I don't agree with them. But that's the kind of sorry character they have and is a big reason why I have so little respect for them and their crass hypocrisy:
I have had similar too so it is pretty funny to me. They don't necessarily want us aborted though. They want us to live and suffer. Many of those same people are against government welfare period or anything similar. They're consistent yet hypocritical at the same time. I say consistent because their philosophy all around is if you make one wrong choice in life you don't deserve a "bail out". College is a good example. If you go to the wrong school/have the wrong studies you deserve to struggle. So when they say they're pro-life they are pro-punishment. But of course they'll tell you all day that is not their intention they care about that fetus. I wonder how they feel about people who get pets and then dump them for no other reason that they grew up because they're indirectly saying it's okay to love a dog/cat until they are grown.
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Originally Posted by Minethatbird
"I was born to parents who never wanted kids and I wish I could have been aborted."
So what is stopping you now?
How is that even scientifically possible?
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Originally Posted by rodentraiser
Are you encouraging suicide? Somehow I don't think that's something this forum is eager to endorse.
I have been in therapy half my life. I'm on anti-depressants now. I'll be on them until I die and I will die if I go off them. I've been off them in the past and I was very close to suicide then.
The anti-depressants keep me at a sort of glass-half-full state. Some days are better, some days are worse. The worse days are when something reminds me of how I grew up and how I wish my parents had cared about me. Things like when the Loma Prieta earthquake happened and I had to wait on a woman who was worried sick about her daughter 30 miles away in Santa Cruz.
My mother never even bothered to try to call to see if I was OK.
Or the one time several years ago I asked my mother if she was proud of anything I'd done. Her reply: "You haven't done anything."
I had quit high school and left home at 17, gone to live in California and finished high school while working full time and supporting myself. I continued to work and support myself my entire life, going back to college at night and beginning with basic Arithmetic classes (I had flunked math all through high school), I continued through Algebra, Calculus, Physics, and Chemistry. I volunteered with a local dog training club, marched on a drill team, and worked with a Search and Rescue team training with dogs and with another SAR team that was part of the local police department, where I learned to rappel down 30 ft buildings. And I fought depression the entire time.
My mom knew about these things and didn't care one iota.
Depressing as all this is and no matter how much my mom and dad not wanting kids affected me throughout my whole life and made me wish I'd never been born, I didn't have it nearly as bad as the parents who beat, sexually abuse, and torture the kids they have but never wanted. I'm one of the lucky ones. I made it past childhood, past the suicide wishes, past young adulthood. Was it worth being born? Right now I feel like someone who's won the lottery - at 99 years old. What good does it do me now?
Who wants to depend on luck to have a good life? If you can't give a child a parent that wants and loves them, you're doing nothing but gambling with their lives.
I'm sure that's what they're encouraging which is an illogical way to address that statement.
Your mother sounds a bit like him. He never called. I always had to call him when I did see him. Well he never said that he wasn't proud of me but it was obvious in his actions. If he felt that way he would be too cowardly to say it. He would joke that I was a stalker and boy crazy.
I enjoy some things about life and most of the time I've never had suicidal thoughts but I do often wish I was someone else. Sometimes I sit and think about what would happen if my mom had terminated? Maybe I'd still be born but I'd have other parents and be me but be a likeable version of myself. It depends on how you feel about souls. I do think reincarnation is possible but despite that I still have thanatophobia because even if that were the outcome what if you come back as a bug or something?
On that note the d word is another reason why I don't believe in having unwanted children. The unwanted child has no way out. They are probably more likely to be stuck because maybe they'll be afraid to die but not want to live either. I'd much rather the child never live at all than to be trapped in a life they never asked for. That's the thing they don't want the woman to have a choice because that's not fair to the fetus but the fetus still doesn't get to choose and instead gets forced to be on earth.
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Originally Posted by rodentraiser
Seriously? Do you know how small the number of people are who aren't having kids? Then there's the ones who have 5+ kids, like Mormons or the Duggars. I'm sure they'll balance the rest of us out.
And I'm still of the opinion that it would be a wonderful thing if the population decrease.
Zygote, embryo, fetus. Whatever you want to call it, it's still a clump of cells during the time most women get abortions. It isn't sentient, it doesn't think, and it doesn't feel pain. That's a science fact for you.
Maybe they believe the fetus has a soul. A lot of pro lifers are religious I've gathered. Even with a soul it's still a clump of cells to me too personally. The soul in question can just be reborn or stay whereever unborn souls go and would still be better off.
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That's HER. Thousands of other women are happy the suit was filed and that they were able to have their abortions. The bottom line is, no one is forced to have an abortion. But if Roe vs Wade is overturned, all women will be forced to give birth. And the women being forced to give birth will have to do so not because they chose it for themselves, but because complete strangers who have nothing to do with them are making the decisions of what these women can and can't do with their own bodies.
"all women will be forced to give birth."
That's like complaining after you put your hand in a fire it GOT BURNT.
As long as you CHOSE to engage in sex, guess what can happen? You CAN get pregnant.
I know it might be great shock to you but, it is TAUGHT in grade schools today.
You may want to look up "TAKING "RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS"!
You DON'T wan to get pregnant, hence having an abortion, KEEP YOU LEGS CLOSED!
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