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Socialized medicine. On average doctors in the USA complete a 4 year undergraduate program, spend 4 years in medical school, and then complete 3-7 years of residency training. Do you honestly believe our best and brightest are going to waste up to 15 years of their life only to end up working for crazy Bernie. I don’t think so, they’ll probably end up choosing a more lucrative career such as a plumber. What we’ll end up having is three stooges for doctors like in Canada.
As a dual citizen, I've had far worse experiences with doctors in the US. And Canadian doctors make bank. Canadian medical schools are also incredibly competitive, so there's certainly no shortage of people wanting to become doctors. lol
Sorry to burst your bubble but I don’t think any Mickey Mouse Canadian universities come close to being in the same league as Harvard.
And yet those damned Canadians are out living their American cousins. As we have seen in the last month, lot's of bribes get people a spot in these schools. Many of our scummiest career politicians have graduated from Harvard and Yale.
I live in a country where medical tourism is a big money maker. I consider the care I have received to be on par with the best I have ever received in the states. American arrogance does not cure illness, and just because Harvard has priced themselves out of reach for any but the most wealthy, does not make them better than anyone else.
People really should travel and witness things for themselves rather than accept what their favorite news station spews out.
Ok we will pretend that Harvard does create the finest doctors on the planet. How many of them do they produce? What percentage of these super physicians are there in our hospitals?
Sorry to burst your bubble but I don’t think any Canadian universities come close to being in the same league as Harvard.
Good Example. We have socialized medicine in MA (effectively) and any resident can go to MGH (Harvard) or any of those other fine hospitals and have the best care.
Ain't Socialism great? Take a bow for your brothers in MA. who are leading the world in the Life Sciences.
Socialized medicine. On average doctors in the USA complete a 4 year undergraduate program, spend 4 years in medical school, and then complete 3-7 years of residency training. Do you honestly believe our best and brightest are going to waste up to 15 years of their life only to end up working for crazy Bernie. I don’t think so, they’ll probably end up choosing a more lucrative career such as a plumber. What we’ll end up having is three stooges for doctors like in Canada.
This may shock you, but once upon a time most doctors only earned a good stable middle-class salary, and they became doctors because they felt it was an honorable calling, because they felt it helped people. I know that it's hard for a lot or Republicans to understand, but money is not the sole focus of everyone's life.
This may shock you, but once upon a time most doctors only earned a good stable middle-class salary, and they became doctors because they felt it was an honorable calling, because they felt it helped people. I know that it's hard for a lot or Republicans to understand, but money is not the sole focus of everyone's life.
Really...So I guess if your boss one day decided to cut your salary in half and give the other half to those in need. .I’m certain you wouldn’t have any issues with that because I know you Democrats are so much more noble than republicans.
This may come as a surprise to you, but the best doctors, engineers, scientists, etc. do so for the love of the craft and of humanity.
Sorry to break this to you if you assumed the Russian Fiction Writer was the Lord in these matters.
BTW, my GP friends don't even bring home 150K (after taxes, about 190 before) . That's with "capitalist health care". One can make a LOT more pushing drugs for Big Pharma...which requires only high heels or persistence. One couple I know that sells drugs makes over 500K combined. Riddle me that.....sales people often make much more than GPs.
Heck, top Realtors make more than GPs. So why wouldn't all GP's just become "Kings and Queens of Real Estate"?
If you think anyone in their right mind would put all that college then work long hours, on call time, all shifts and not make good money you're awful naive.
If you think anyone in their right mind would put all that college then work long hours, on call time, all shifts and not make good money you're awful naive.
It's hard to be naive when I knew doctors even on the commune back in the 1970's and my own close relatives were docs for 35+ years. A good friend who is a doc is also in my band...believe me, he doesn't have a lot of money.
I'll clue you into something. A lot of Jewish people are doctors. Bleeding heart do-gooder doctors.
The problem with folks like you if you don't understand how good people think! I mean it. Let me give you a perfect example.....
Years ago I sold my main business. It was a total cash cow...can't miss. So, the guy who was most interested in buying it checked out everything and then he came back to me (obviously thinking like you are) and said "If these numbers are real, then there is NO WAY you would be selling this business for what you are".
You see, in his mind it was impossible to think that I had made my nut, ran a great business for 20 years, raised my kids and wanted to move on. It didn't fit his world-view that I would want to pass the business on to another person who might profit from it, keep the employees and suppliers and customer happy, etc.
So he turned it down. Meanwhile, the couple I sold it to coasted along for 10 years after we sold it with virtually no advertising...just on the reputation. They ran it another 10 years after that and got their entire life goals out of it.
Whether for better or worse, I have personally met and dealt with the best neurosurgeons in the country...perhaps the world. Here is one of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Epstein
I'm sorry you think everyone is driven by big money. I have tried to illustrate otherwise but to a hammer everything looks like a nail. Sometime you may want to give it more thought. Navy Corpsmen treat thousands of patients for relatively little money. Doctors without Borders have treated MILLIONS - even in war zones.
I can honestly state to you that if were so graced as to be a fine doctor, money would be the last thing on my mind. I would wake up every day hoping to help people and alleviate suffering.
Luckily for all of us, many people don't think like you suggest.
Really...So I guess if your boss one day decided to cut your salary in half and give the other half to those in need. .I’m certain you wouldn’t have any issues with that because I know you Democrats are so much more noble than republicans.
In this case it's the honest truth...but thanks for stating the obvious.
The fact that only 8% of Researchers and Scientists ID as Republican should give you one hint. Obviously that covers "medical science and research" also.
The profiteering side of Medicine has plenty of Republicans - folks like Rick Scott who defrauded the government out billions. Cancer Centers of America, run by a right winger, which is designed to take as much of your money as possible and lead you down the path to thinking they have something special to cure your cancer...when they don't.
So, yes, you can't have it both ways. The empathy and education and location(s) that you always point to as "liberal" or "Democratic" are what makes those folks more noble. Without education and society we are simply beasts...
Please - if you have a minute - explain this to us. That's a MAJOR difference, not happenstance.
"Most scientists identify as Democrats (55%), while 32% identify as independents and just 6% say they are Republicans. When the leanings of independents are considered, fully 81% identify as Democrats or lean to the Democratic Party, compared with 12% who either identify as Republicans or lean toward the GOP."
It makes perfect sense to me. Republicans act out on here and elsewhere telling us daily that they don't care about others. This perfectly reflects that.
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